Ervaring Beskrywing
I found myself suddenly 'very high up' in a bright white room. There were several beings there. I can't remember how many now, but at least four. I think there were more though. There was a being on a throne, that I was almost directly in front of, that was the only one sitting down.
The others were standing up, and they were barefoot and in robes. I couldn't see their faces, just their feet, ankles, and the bottom of their robes. The standing ones seemed irritated a bit, and one lifted his ankle a bit as if to hide from me. They wanted to move off to the sides so that I couldn't see them. I was forced on my hands and knees, and couldn't move or look around except with my eyes. First I thought, 'cool, weird' and I thought they were aliens. I thought about the fact that there was one on the throne and changed my mind away from aliens.
I suddenly thought it was the throne room of 'God' and I got scared, I wanted to go back to my body. When I thought about that, I could somehow 'see' my body passed out on the couch. I was concerned that if I didn't go back soon, something was going to happen to my body. I was concerned that my friend would call 911. The beings understood that I was distressed, and they made me understand that they were just going to show me something for a minute, and then I could go back. They didn't talk, but I just understood that.
The throne-being had the 'ministers' roll some colored balls from one side of the room to the other. They were just like colored billiard-type balls. The balls made a sound when they rolled across the floor, which echoed on the walls, even though I couldn't see the walls. That and footsteps were the only sounds during the whole thing. I was supposed to understand the balls as 'atoms'. When I got that, they moved on to the next point quickly, which was, 'that's all your world is'. Then I accepted this and understood that it was the point of the 'lesson'; and as soon as I did, they knew it and sent me back to my body. Apparently, that was the only reason they were keeping me so they could show me. I wonder if they'd have shown me more if I wasn't so scared and worried about my body.
The others were standing up, and they were barefoot and in robes. I couldn't see their faces, just their feet, ankles, and the bottom of their robes. The standing ones seemed irritated a bit, and one lifted his ankle a bit as if to hide from me. They wanted to move off to the sides so that I couldn't see them. I was forced on my hands and knees, and couldn't move or look around except with my eyes. First I thought, 'cool, weird' and I thought they were aliens. I thought about the fact that there was one on the throne and changed my mind away from aliens.
I suddenly thought it was the throne room of 'God' and I got scared, I wanted to go back to my body. When I thought about that, I could somehow 'see' my body passed out on the couch. I was concerned that if I didn't go back soon, something was going to happen to my body. I was concerned that my friend would call 911. The beings understood that I was distressed, and they made me understand that they were just going to show me something for a minute, and then I could go back. They didn't talk, but I just understood that.
The throne-being had the 'ministers' roll some colored balls from one side of the room to the other. They were just like colored billiard-type balls. The balls made a sound when they rolled across the floor, which echoed on the walls, even though I couldn't see the walls. That and footsteps were the only sounds during the whole thing. I was supposed to understand the balls as 'atoms'. When I got that, they moved on to the next point quickly, which was, 'that's all your world is'. Then I accepted this and understood that it was the point of the 'lesson'; and as soon as I did, they knew it and sent me back to my body. Apparently, that was the only reason they were keeping me so they could show me. I wonder if they'd have shown me more if I wasn't so scared and worried about my body.
Agtergrond Inligting
Gender:
Female
Date NDE Occurred:
2005
NDE Elemente
Was daar 'n lewensgevaarlike gebeurtenis op die tydstip van jou ervaring?
Uncertain. Other: deliberate drug use
I smoked a drug that causes hallucinations. I also have a history of seizures being triggered by drug use, and when the out-of-body experience began, I was concerned that my body was not functioning properly, that possibly my body wasn't exhibiting proper life signs, and I'd be taken to the hospital by my friend.
Hoe oorweeg jy die inhoud van jou ervaring?
Both pleasant AND distressing
Die ervaring het ingesluit
Out of body experience
Het jy gevoel jy is geskei van jou liggaam?
Yes I was sort of aware, in some type of sense, of my body being very far down below me, and I could 'see it' clearly in some way, passed out on the couch. It seemed both visible and close to me, and extremely, extremely far away, as if I was in another part of the universe, that was 'up'.
I clearly left my body and existed outside it
Hoe het jou hoogste vlak van bewussyn en waaksaamheid tydens die ervaring vergelyk met jou normale alledaagse bewussyn en waaksaamheid?
Normal consciousness and alertness
Watter tyd gedurende die ervaring was jy op jou hoogste vlak van bewussyn en waaksaamheid?
I was of normal consciousness and alertness the whole time.
Was jou gedagtes versnel?
No
Het dit gelyk asof die tyd versnel of vertraag het?
No
Was jou sintuie helderder as gewoonlik?
More vivid than usual
Vergelyk asseblief jou sig tydens die ervaring met jou alledaagse sig wat jy onmiddellik voor die tyd van die ervaring gehad het
Moderately sharper and vivid.
Vergelyk asseblief jou gehoor tydens die ervaring met jou alledaagse gehoor wat jy onmiddellik voor die tyd van die ervaring gehad het
Moderately sharper and vivid. The audio quality of things in the room (footsteps, balls rolling) seemed crisper and highly defined.
Het dit gelyk of jy bewus was van dinge wat elders gebeur?
No
Het jy in of deur 'n tonnel gegaan?
No
Het jy enige wesens in jou ervaring gesien?
I actually saw them
Het jy enige oorlede (of lewende) wesens teëgekom of daarvan bewus geword?
No
Die ervaring het ingesluit
Unearthly light
Het jy 'n briljante lig gesien, of gevoel omring deur 'n briljante lig?
A light clearly of mystical or other-worldly origin
Het jy 'n onwerklik lig gesien?
Yes The place I was in was made of very bright white light. Even the floor was seemingly of light.
Die ervaring het ingesluit
A landscape or city
Het dit gelyk asof jy 'n ander, onwêreldse wêreld binnegegaan het?
A clearly mystical or unearthly realm It was a very white, very illuminated, beautiful incandescent space. Everything was bright, everything was white, and it was an amazing type of whiteness and bright light 'sensation', without being blinding or painful to my eyes at all. It really had the peacefulness of a dimly lit space even though what I was seeing was very white and full of light in an other-worldly way.
Watter ander emosies het jy tydens die ervaring gevoel?
I was extremely nervous and desiring to go back to my body. I thought it was ridiculous that I was in front of, what I guessed at the time, to be 'God'. I was kind of laughing at the ridiculousness and wanting to go back to my body. I wasn't scared of the beings, but I was scared that possibly my body didn't have a pulse and my friend in the room with me might take me to the hospital. I could kind of 'see' my body unconscious on the couch sitting next to my friend. I don't know in what sense I could see it, though. I was more worried about my body than I was about the vision.
Het jy 'n gevoel van vrede of aangenaamheid gehad?
No
Het jy 'n gevoel van vreugde gehad?
No
Het jy 'n gevoel van harmonie of eenheid met die heelal gehad?
No
Die ervaring het ingesluit
Special knowledge or purpose
Het dit skielik voorgekom of jy alles verstaan?
Everything about the universe Well, sort of yeah. I came back to my body with the exciting impression of a divine simplicity.
Het tonele uit jou verlede na jou teruggekeer?
No
Het tonele uit die toekoms na jou gekom?
No
Het jy by 'n grens of punt van geen terugkeer gekom?
I came to a barrier that I was not permitted to cross; or was sent back against my will I immediately, once I realized I was out of my body, I wanted to go back into it. Even though the beings never talked, it was as if we communicated somehow, and I knew that they knew I was distressed and desired to go back in my body. They were okay with that. They just wanted to keep me a minute to show me something. When I understood the 'lesson', they immediately sent me back down to my body.
God, Geestelikheid en Godsdienst
Watter belangrikheid het jy aan jou godsdienstige/geestelike lewe gegee voordat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Moderately important to me
Wat was jou godsdienst voor jou ervaring?
Unaffiliated- Agnostic
Het jou godsdienstige praktyke verander sedert jou ervaring?
Yes It took me years to take it seriously, but now I do; and now I do believe old religious myths probably do contain recordings of 'real experiences', sometimes, interwoven with fantasies and fictions. But now I take the old myths and fairy tales more seriously.
Watter belangrikheid gee jy aan jou godsdienstige/geestelike lewe nadat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Moderately important to me
Wat is jou godsdienst nou?
Christian- Other Christian
Het jou ervaring kenmerke ingesluit wat ooreenstem met jou aardse oortuigings?
Content that was both consistent and not consistent with the beliefs you had at the time of your experience I did not believe in any type of human-like gods or a throne god, or any type of human-like otherworld beings. I did already know that atoms and small particles make up our apparently solid-object reality, although it is not solid or consistent at the quantum level. These beings wanted to emphasize that 'scientific' fact of life to me. It was new to me to associate religious beings with promoting science because, at the time of my experience, I associated spiritual and religious beings with fairy tale myths and outdated silly superstitions. I imagined the human species' realm of religious experience as a dichotomy to science and observed reality. I no longer view them as opposed.
Het jy 'n verandering in jou waardes en geloofsartikels as gevolg van jou ervaring gehad?
Yes At one point, when I later thought about it that 'God' could exist like the storybooks, I did pick up the Christianity of my childhood programming again and became frightened of hell. It was a very brief re-conversion though, only lasting a few months. I don't think there was anything frightening in my experience to have caused that, but I think it was related to the possibility of believing it was the same being from my frightening childhood stories. Otherwise, more directly as a result of the content of the vision, I am more interested now in the theories that what we experience as our universe is something like a holographic projection, or something akin to a video game, or that we are souls operating in this plane, using atomic avatars. I have a lot of questions and interests in these types of things now. I have no idea, but I'm really interested to think what putting together science and human spiritual hallucinations could mean.
Die ervaring het ingesluit
Presence of unearthly beings
Het dit gelyk asof jy 'n mistieke wese of teenwoordigheid teëgekom het, of 'n onidentifiseerbare stem gehoor het?
I encountered a definite being, or a voice clearly of mystical or unearthly origin I saw several beings of human-like appearance in their legs and ankles, which was all I could see of them. They were very white or 'chalky' looking (i.e., not the white of humans). At first, I believed, from their color, that they were possibly the 'gray aliens'. But then I believed they were gods or religious-type beings, because of the set-up of there being a throne in the room. The room was very bright white, and they were wearing robes. They minimally communicated with me in some type of wordless telepathy; it was just understandings. I don't know how they were communicating with each other. Maybe in the same way, but also I suspected they could have been talking out-loud before I came in, but I felt that I wasn't allowed to hear them. I certainly wasn't allowed to see them, as they had somehow caused me to be on my hands and knees so that I couldn't look around except in a limited way from the floor. I felt this was so I couldn't see them.
Het jy oorlede of godsdienstige geeste gesien?
I actually saw them
Het jy wesens teëgekom of bewus geword van wesens wat voorheen op aarde geleef het en by naam in godsdienste beskryf word (byvoorbeeld: Jesus, Muhammad, Boeddha, ens?)
No
Het jy tydens jou ervaring inligting verkry oor die bestaan van God?
No
Het jy tydens jou ervaring inligting ontvang oor universele verbinding of eenheid?
Uncertain I am not sure. They showed me 'atoms'. More specifically, they showed me colored balls that I was meant to metaphorically understand as atoms. Then I was meant to understand that 'that's all life on earth is'. Then I was sent back to my body.
Het jy in die bestaan van God geglo voor jou ervaring?
God probably existsÂ
Het jy tydens jou ervaring inligting verkry oor die bestaan van God?
Yes I felt that I was in the presence of some of the beings that humans have identified as gods. There were several there, they were standing up and barefoot, and wearing robes. There was one seated on a throne. I was forced down on my hands and knees and couldn't get up--they were controlling this on purpose. I wasn't allowed to look at their faces, and only saw them from the legs down. All I could see was that I was on my hands and knees, and there were several beings that looked like the legs and feet of people, but it was otherworldly, and there was one sitting down on a throne. I feel like other people throughout history must have hallucinated similar things and this type of hallucination is where our stories of heaven and god come from.
Glo jy in die bestaan van God na jou ervaring?
God definitely exists
Betreffende ons aardse lewens behalwe Godsdienst
Het jy tydens jou ervaring spesiale kennis of inligting oor jou doel verkry?
Yes They wanted me to understand something about life in our realm consisting of atoms, like a living picture or a hologram.
Het jy geglo dat ons aardse lewens betekenisvol en belangrik is voordat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Are meaningful and significant
Het jy tydens jou ervaring inligting ontvang oor die betekenis van die lewe?
Uncertain Same answer as above. (They showed me 'atoms'. More specifically, they showed me colored balls that I was meant to metaphorically understand as atoms. Then I was meant to understand that 'that's all life on earth is'. Then I was sent back to my body.)
Het jy in 'n lewe na die dood geglo voor jou ervaring?
I was uncertain if an afterlife exists
Glo jy in 'n lewe na die dood na jou ervaring?
An afterlife probably exists No
Het jy die dood vrees voor jou ervaring?
I slightly feared death
Vrees jy die dood na jou ervaring
I slightly fear death
Was jy bang om jou lewe te leef voordat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Moderately fearful in living my earthly life
Was jy bang om jou lewe te leef nadat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Slightly fearful in living my earthly life
Het jy geglo dat ons aardse lewens betekenisvol en belangrik is voordat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Are meaningful and significant
Het jy geglo dat ons aardse lewens betekenisvol en belangrik is nadat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Are probably meaningful and significant
Het jy inligting verwerf oor hoe om ons lewens te leef?
No
Het jy tydens jou ervaring inligting oor die moeilike, uitdagings en swaarkry in die lewe verwerf?
Uncertain Same answer as above. (They showed me 'atoms'. More specifically, they showed me colored balls that I was meant to metaphorically understand as atoms. Then I was meant to understand that 'that's all life on earth is'. Then I was sent back to my body.)
Was jy mededeelsaam voordat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Unknown
Het jy tydens jou ervaring inligting oor liefde verwerf?
No
Was jy mededeelsaam nadat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Greatly compassionate toward others
Watter lewensveranderings het in jou lewe plaasgevind na jou ervaring?
Unknown Unknown
Het jou verhoudings spesifiek verander as gevolg van jou ervaring?
No No
Na die NDE
Was die ervaring moeilik om in woorde uit te druk?
Yes
Hoe akkuraat onthou jy die ervaring in vergelyking met ander lewensevenemente wat rondom die tyd van die ervaring gebeur het?
I remember the experience as accurately as other life events that occurred around the time of the experience I am sure that some of the details of it, like other memories, have faded over time. I think that I remember it as accurately as anything else though.
Het jy enige psigiese, ongewone of ander spesiale gawes ná jou ervaring wat jy nie voor die ervaring gehad het nie?
Uncertain After this event, I have experienced several things that I've felt may have been 'psychic'. I don't know if they were connected or not.
Is daar een of meer dele van jou ervaring wat veral betekenisvol of belangrik vir jou is? Verduidelik asseblief.
I do not think I was supposed to be there in that room. I immediately wanted to leave and return to my body. However, the throne-being allowed it and made me stay for a few moments; and also instructed the others, who I viewed as being administrative persons, to give me a 'gift' before leaving. The gift was having me look at the colored balls, and understand them as atoms. I feel that this was chosen to give to me, because I was/am very often stressed-out about life. I felt that what they were trying to give me was the gift of calming down, and not taking things so seriously. It was a very humane and non-official experience. It has altered my 'fear' of 'the gods' or magical entities.
I do not necessarily view this being on the throne as the Big G: god, which/who I feel is probably a different sort of abstract and a more universal, non-human consciousness. However, I did feel the beings I was seeing, have historically been called gods by other humans. But even though they caused me to be on my hands and knees, and kept me at an official distance, and hid their faces from me, I still felt toward the throne-being like a kid that had stumbled into his father's office while he was at work.
The 'administrative' beings that were standing up, I felt were more annoyed than the one on the throne. I felt like the one on the throne, acted like a good father, who took some time out of his business to teach his kid something quickly before sending him off, even though it was rude that the kid had interrupted. My impression of these beings was really softened, as they were very humane and gentle toward me; and more intimate and approachable than some of the mythology around them being so intimidating, suggests.
After this, I feel like human beings are very intimately related to them, much like royal children are to kings and queens. Even if they're powerful and frightening in their official 'jobs', still actually we can go up to them for attention when we need to, because we are like the royal kids. Thus, they will respond to us with patience and affection because they are related to us and they want to help us grow.
I do not necessarily view this being on the throne as the Big G: god, which/who I feel is probably a different sort of abstract and a more universal, non-human consciousness. However, I did feel the beings I was seeing, have historically been called gods by other humans. But even though they caused me to be on my hands and knees, and kept me at an official distance, and hid their faces from me, I still felt toward the throne-being like a kid that had stumbled into his father's office while he was at work.
The 'administrative' beings that were standing up, I felt were more annoyed than the one on the throne. I felt like the one on the throne, acted like a good father, who took some time out of his business to teach his kid something quickly before sending him off, even though it was rude that the kid had interrupted. My impression of these beings was really softened, as they were very humane and gentle toward me; and more intimate and approachable than some of the mythology around them being so intimidating, suggests.
After this, I feel like human beings are very intimately related to them, much like royal children are to kings and queens. Even if they're powerful and frightening in their official 'jobs', still actually we can go up to them for attention when we need to, because we are like the royal kids. Thus, they will respond to us with patience and affection because they are related to us and they want to help us grow.
Het jy al ooit hierdie ervaring met ander gedeel?
Yes I shared it right away; I couldn't stop talking about it. No one was influenced by my experience, but I was influenced to not believe it.
Het jy enige kennis van byna-dood ervarings (NDE) gehad vóór jou ervaring?
Yes I think of my experience more as astral projection or something like that. I grew up with an interest in mystical things and I'm sure I encountered the idea of that in books or something. Yes, it did affect my experience, because I wanted to leave right away. I was worried about leaving my body 'unattended' on the couch sitting next to my friend. I was worried that he'd call an ambulance and I'd re-enter my body in the hospital and have to deal with a big fuss about it. I was too embarrassed and anxious about not being inside my body to purely enjoy or desire my experience. I was more worried about my life on earth than about the possibility of really being in front of these 'gods'.
Wat het jy geglo oor die werklikheid van jou ervaring kort nadat dit gebeur het (dae tot weke)?
Experience was definately not real I thought it was amazing and at first I was excited by it, and felt it was real. A few days later, I'd decided it was definitely not real. It was too stereotypical, and I viewed it as a product of my growing up in the west, in a Christian community, with my religious expectations being informed by paintings and mythos of white men on thrones. It didn't surprise me that my brain would hallucinate some version of that. I thought it was actually too predictable as a fantasy product. Then, talking it over with friends about the possibility of believing it, basically I was intellectually shamed out of believing it.
Wat glo jy nou oor die werklikheid van jou ervaring?
Experience was probably real I don't know for sure if it was real, but on the other hand, I really don't know what 'real' is in terms of perception. It was as real as anything else I witness in my waking life. Other people have had uncannily similar hallucinations throughout the history of our species. At a certain point, I view it as scientifically negligent, and stubbornly adherent to a certain modern belief system, that systematically excludes such things as possible, to deny that it could have been something as real and relevant as anything else is.
Het enigiets ooit enige deel van die ervaring weergee in enige stadium van jou lewe?
No