George E
Probable NDE
Greyson-skaal: 12
#20130, #6923
- LandPuerto Rico
- GeslagM
- OuderdomCollege Age
- Datum Ervaar1/1/1967
- Datum ingedien9/27/2013
Die ervaring het ingesluit
Hulle verlede sien (Lewensoorsig)Sien 'n helder onaardse ligBegryp alles oor die heelalUVE, Uit-die-liggaam-ervaringGeestelike wêreld meer werklik as fisiese werklikheidHet gevoel asof hulle huis toe teruggekeer hetHeelal bestaan slegs uit liefde en ligHet die ervaring met psigedelika vergelykHet besluit om na die lewe terug te keer
Ervaring Beskrywing
9/7/2014
I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis, and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was losing water at this fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but I ate nothing. Oh man, I was SICK! I was getting weaker and weaker.
On the eighth day of this misery, I seemed to float right up out of my body. So I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed still as a corpse, and I said ‘Oh (beep)! I've died!!’ I was unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’ So then, I felt calm and very good, thinking ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog, this is quite okay.’ So I'm floating in the room, right? And it is daytime. Outside there was a church and the bells started ringing. This was normal. I had a strong urge to go check it out so I floated out of the window. Outside it was blindingly bright. Whoa! It was SO BRIGHT. In a word, it was hard to see. Don't ask see with what, because I don't have a clue, my eyes being back in my body. But I could see the church steeple, and made a circuit of it. At this point I'm feeling very exhilarated. I'm flying around free of my body! And two things really hit me at that moment: first, the body isn't ME, it's just a body; and second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, we all just float off peacefully, because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know. At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body, and I went back inside, and sort of lay down in my body. And I slept. And the next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering.
Now-- Because of this experience, I came to think at the time that the spirit endures, and we go off peacefully. This idea I have entertained ever since to a degree, but I rather think now that it was merely a biochemical sort of effect, not anything 'real' in the sense of supernatural. I accept the idea it could be a hallucination of some sort, but it seemed very genuine at the time. So on the real significance of out of body experiences, I just don't know. But I've not feared death per se during my life for which I am very grateful.
I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis, and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was losing water at this fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but I ate nothing. Oh man, I was SICK! I was getting weaker and weaker.
On the eighth day of this misery, I seemed to float right up out of my body. So I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed still as a corpse, and I said ‘Oh (beep)! I've died!!’ I was unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’ So then, I felt calm and very good, thinking ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog, this is quite okay.’ So I'm floating in the room, right? And it is daytime. Outside there was a church and the bells started ringing. This was normal. I had a strong urge to go check it out so I floated out of the window. Outside it was blindingly bright. Whoa! It was SO BRIGHT. In a word, it was hard to see. Don't ask see with what, because I don't have a clue, my eyes being back in my body. But I could see the church steeple, and made a circuit of it. At this point I'm feeling very exhilarated. I'm flying around free of my body! And two things really hit me at that moment: first, the body isn't ME, it's just a body; and second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, we all just float off peacefully, because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know. At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body, and I went back inside, and sort of lay down in my body. And I slept. And the next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering.
Now-- Because of this experience, I came to think at the time that the spirit endures, and we go off peacefully. This idea I have entertained ever since to a degree, but I rather think now that it was merely a biochemical sort of effect, not anything 'real' in the sense of supernatural. I accept the idea it could be a hallucination of some sort, but it seemed very genuine at the time. So on the real significance of out of body experiences, I just don't know. But I've not feared death per se during my life for which I am very grateful.
Agtergrond Inligting
Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
August 1967
NDE Elemente
Was daar 'n lewensgevaarlike gebeurtenis op die tydstip van jou ervaring?
Uncertain Illness 'Illness, trauma or other condition not considered life threatening' I was very sick. Life threatening? Probably not.
Hoe oorweeg jy die inhoud van jou ervaring?
Positive
Die ervaring het ingesluit
Out of body experience
Het jy gevoel jy is geskei van jou liggaam?
Yes Totally disembodied. I saw my body on the bed.
Watter tyd gedurende die ervaring was jy op jou hoogste vlak van bewussyn en waaksaamheid?
I seemed perfectly alert.
Het dit gelyk asof die tyd versnel of vertraag het?
No
Het jou gehoor op enige manier verskil van normaal?
Church bells.
Het jy in of deur 'n tonnel gegaan?
No
Die ervaring het ingesluit
Light
Het jy 'n onwerklik lig gesien?
Yes It was very bright. Blindingly bright actually, like being surrounded by very bright sunlight.
Het dit gelyk asof jy 'n ander, onwêreldse wêreld binnegegaan het?
A clearly mystical or unearthly realm Well, everything seemed normal. I could hear and see. I can't say there was any sensation of feeling. In fact, I guess I'd say there was not any sensation of feeling or touch. But it wasn't like numbness.
Watter ander emosies het jy tydens die ervaring gevoel?
Initially, anxiety. Afterwards, exhilaration and a sort of curiosity.
Het dit skielik voorgekom of jy alles verstaan?
Everything about the universe I concluded during the experience that it was a great joke on Christianity, that heaven and hell were obviously false and unreal, and this amused me and pleased me, that these people were so wrong and foolish. I was giddy with the knowledge that death was so easy and pleasant. That's how I was feeling at that time, that it was just a matter of floating away.
Het tonele uit jou verlede na jou teruggekeer?
My past flashed before me, out of my control I went out the window, and flew around. It was very pleasant.
Het tonele uit die toekoms na jou gekom?
No
Het jy by 'n grens of punt van geen terugkeer gekom?
I came to a barrier that I was not permitted to cross; or was sent back against my will Yes. I decided to go back to the body. I thought ‘Well, this is cool, but enough is enough, I'll just go lie back in the body, and if I'm dead well no problem, and if I'm not, that's fine too.’
God, Geestelikheid en Godsdienst
Het jy 'n verandering in jou waardes en geloofsartikels as gevolg van jou ervaring gehad?
Yes I became a more confirmed atheist and infidel. Before, I was uncertain about the claims of religion, but afterwards I thought, ‘These guys are just like scam artists, they don't have a clue about any of it.’
Betreffende ons aardse lewens behalwe Godsdienst
Na die NDE
Was die ervaring moeilik om in woorde uit te druk?
No
Het jy enige psigiese, ongewone of ander spesiale gawes ná jou ervaring wat jy nie voor die ervaring gehad het nie?
No
Is daar een of meer dele van jou ervaring wat veral betekenisvol of belangrik vir jou is? Verduidelik asseblief.
The best part was flying. There was no bad part, really.
Het jy al ooit hierdie ervaring met ander gedeel?
Yes I don't really emphasize the supposedly spiritual dimension, and I have not told very many people, but I've told a few that death is just nothing to fear. That we all will float off peacefully.
Is daar enigiets anders wat jy wil byvoeg oor jou ervaring?
I do not think, after years of reflection on it, that my experience is anything that would tend to prove that the spirit or soul or mind survives death. I thought at the time that this was what my experience demonstrated, but I now tend to think it was just some sort of biochemical thing. Either way, it’s no big deal really.
Het die vrae wat gevra is en die inligting wat jy verskaf het jou ervaring akkuraat en omvattend beskryf?
Uncertain
Ervaring Beskrywing 6923
9/29/2013
On the eighth day of my illness, I seemed to just float right up out of my body. I saw my body from above. I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed, still as a corpse, and I said, ‘Oh, sh#$! I've died!!’ I was basically unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself, ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’
So, then I felt calm and very good, thinking, ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog. This is quite okay.’
I'm floating in the room, now feeling elated, and I decided to float out the window. The windows in this rooming house where I lived were just a series of louvers. You could stick your hand right outside the building if you wanted to. I had a strong urge to go check out what was outside so I floated out of the window.
Outside it was blindingly bright, with the light everywhere, not coming from any particular source, but as if the light were a liquid and I was in a sea of light.
At this point, I'm feeling very exhilarated, completely euphoric. I'm moving around free of my body. And two things really hit me at that moment. First, the body isn't ME. It's just a body. Second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, in terms of the popular images of streets of gold and pearly gates versus the lake of fire and the eternal torment. We all just float off peacefully because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know.
At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body and I went back inside. I thought it was better not to just leave my body there, though it was purely joyful in the sea of light. I went back in the room and I sort of lay down in my body to rest. The next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering, and I was not dead. I had thought that after taking a little rest in the body, now that I knew that being dead was okay, I’d be able to go back to the sea of light. This was not to be, though. Not right then anyway.
On the eighth day of my illness, I seemed to just float right up out of my body. I saw my body from above. I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed, still as a corpse, and I said, ‘Oh, sh#$! I've died!!’ I was basically unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself, ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’
So, then I felt calm and very good, thinking, ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog. This is quite okay.’
I'm floating in the room, now feeling elated, and I decided to float out the window. The windows in this rooming house where I lived were just a series of louvers. You could stick your hand right outside the building if you wanted to. I had a strong urge to go check out what was outside so I floated out of the window.
Outside it was blindingly bright, with the light everywhere, not coming from any particular source, but as if the light were a liquid and I was in a sea of light.
At this point, I'm feeling very exhilarated, completely euphoric. I'm moving around free of my body. And two things really hit me at that moment. First, the body isn't ME. It's just a body. Second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, in terms of the popular images of streets of gold and pearly gates versus the lake of fire and the eternal torment. We all just float off peacefully because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know.
At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body and I went back inside. I thought it was better not to just leave my body there, though it was purely joyful in the sea of light. I went back in the room and I sort of lay down in my body to rest. The next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering, and I was not dead. I had thought that after taking a little rest in the body, now that I knew that being dead was okay, I’d be able to go back to the sea of light. This was not to be, though. Not right then anyway.
Agtergrond Inligting
Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
Summer 1967
NDE Elemente
Was daar 'n lewensgevaarlike gebeurtenis op die tydstip van jou ervaring?
Yes Illness Life threatening event, but not clinical death I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was extremely ill, suffering from painful cramps. I was losing water at a fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but basically I ate nothing. I was getting weaker and weaker.
Hoe oorweeg jy die inhoud van jou ervaring?
Entirely pleasant
Die ervaring het ingesluit
Out of body experience
Het jy gevoel jy is geskei van jou liggaam?
Yes I saw my body on the bed. That is not a moment I'll ever forget. I heard the bells of the church nearby.
Hoe het jou hoogste vlak van bewussyn en waaksaamheid tydens die ervaring vergelyk met jou normale alledaagse bewussyn en waaksaamheid?
More consciousness and alertness than normal Well, it is hard to explain. It is as if you suddenly understand that the physical life of the body is just a part of the reality, and the life of the spirit is more real, as if the physical world is a stage set sort of--- it looks real enough but it is just appearances.
Watter tyd gedurende die ervaring was jy op jou hoogste vlak van bewussyn en waaksaamheid?
I would say in the sea of light part, it seemed hyper-real, extremely joyful and also peaceful.
Was jou gedagtes versnel?
No
Het dit gelyk asof die tyd versnel of vertraag het?
No
Was jou sintuie helderder as gewoonlik?
More vivid than usual
Het jou visie op enige manier verskil van normaal?
You can't close your eyes because you do not have eyes. I recall being able to look in a particular direction though. Vision was very sharp. The incredibly bright light in the sea of light was not painful.
Het jou gehoor op enige manier verskil van normaal?
I could hear. I heard church bells. There was a church nearby. Hearing seemed normal I should say.
Het dit gelyk of jy bewus was van dinge wat elders gebeur?
No
Het jy in of deur 'n tonnel gegaan?
Uncertain It was not a tunnel, it was a sea of light. The light was everywhere but with no source.
Het jy enige wesens in jou ervaring gesien?
No
Het jy enige oorlede (of lewende) wesens teëgekom of daarvan bewus geword?
No
Die ervaring het ingesluit
Unearthly light
Het jy 'n briljante lig gesien, of gevoel omring deur 'n briljante lig?
An unusually bright light
Het jy 'n onwerklik lig gesien?
Yes If you just imagine being deep in the ocean and every molecule of water is radiating light that will give you an idea of what it was like.
Het dit gelyk asof jy 'n ander, onwêreldse wêreld binnegegaan het?
Some unfamiliar and strange place It was sure not anyplace earthly. Though I did not sense other beings, it still was not a lonely place. It was strange, but also like home. So you feel, oh good, I'm home, everything is okay. Death is not what folks think. It's okay.
Die ervaring het ingesluit
Strong emotional tone
Watter ander emosies het jy tydens die ervaring gevoel?
First, fear. I was dead, and if you could die twice seeing my body on the bed would have scared me to death again! Then, immediately thereafter, I was able to reason that I was really okay, because I could think and see things. Then I was very joyful. In the sea of light, it was wonderful, joyful, and peaceful. I should not have left.
Het jy 'n gevoel van vrede of aangenaamheid gehad?
Incredible peace or pleasantness
Het jy 'n gevoel van vreugde gehad?
incredible joy
Het jy 'n gevoel van harmonie of eenheid met die heelal gehad?
I felt no longer in conflict with nature
Het dit skielik voorgekom of jy alles verstaan?
Everything about myself or others I would not say I understood everything!! It is different from that. It's like you see things as they really are, or understand that you don't need to be concerned about the details, because it's all fine, it's all okay, you're home again.
Het tonele uit jou verlede na jou teruggekeer?
No
Het tonele uit die toekoms na jou gekom?
No
Het jy by 'n grens of punt van geen terugkeer gekom?
I came to a barrier that I was not permitted to cross; or was sent back against my will I did not think I was returning to life. I thought I'd just take a rest in my body, then go back to the sea of light. Now I have to die all over again to get back there.
God, Geestelikheid en Godsdienst
Watter belangrikheid het jy aan jou godsdienstige/geestelike lewe gegee voordat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Slightly important to me
Wat was jou godsdienst voor jou ervaring?
Christian- Protestant I have been educated in Episcopal Church schools, and had at the time of the experience a great deal of religious instruction including daily chapel. I was not however a believer in any deep sense.
Het jou godsdienstige praktyke verander sedert jou ervaring?
Yes Well, not as a direct result, but over time I've had religious experiences that I finally integrated with the near death experience. I do not know, Why me? It is a great puzzle. I suppose some are chosen or something. I guess we'll find out later on.
Watter belangrikheid gee jy aan jou godsdienstige/geestelike lewe nadat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Greatly important to me
Wat is jou godsdienst nou?
Christian- Protestant From the time of the experience to the present, a period of nearly half a century, I have been subjected to divine manifestations including outright miracles. God pestered me until I surrendered. I did not want to believe. I worked in a scientific department at a university. It was not at all convenient to be a Christian. Nevertheless, I was finally forced to it. I have no idea why. It is all very strange and mysterious to me. I was not looking for this transcendent divine love: it knocked me repeatedly in the head until I accepted its reality.
Het jou ervaring kenmerke ingesluit wat ooreenstem met jou aardse oortuigings?
Content that was both consistent and not consistent with the beliefs you had at the time of your experience I was not understanding about what love means. It is not something you earn by being a good person.
Het jy 'n verandering in jou waardes en geloofsartikels as gevolg van jou ervaring gehad?
Yes Be good. Do the right thing. Read scripture. Pray for help, understanding, and forgiveness. Keep trying. Try to do better. Do not be afraid. It's all okay!
Het dit gelyk asof jy 'n mistieke wese of teenwoordigheid teëgekom het, of 'n onidentifiseerbare stem gehoor het?
No
Het jy oorlede of godsdienstige geeste gesien?
No
Het jy wesens teëgekom of bewus geword van wesens wat voorheen op aarde geleef het en by naam in godsdienste beskryf word (byvoorbeeld: Jesus, Muhammad, Boeddha, ens?)
No
Het jy tydens jou ervaring inligting verkry oor die bestaan van God?
No
Het jy tydens jou ervaring inligting ontvang oor universele verbinding of eenheid?
No
Het jy in die bestaan van God geglo voor jou ervaring?
God probably exists┬
Het jy tydens jou ervaring inligting verkry oor die bestaan van God?
Uncertain During the time of the experience I was mostly amused that the idea of hell with fire etc and heaven with pearly gates was wrong, that you just float off peacefully. I did not at that time understand that the peace and joy and love actually = God. That came much later.
Glo jy in die bestaan van God na jou ervaring?
God definitely exists
Betreffende ons aardse lewens behalwe Godsdienst
Het jy tydens jou ervaring spesiale kennis of inligting oor jou doel verkry?
Yes Well, I know something of great value, that most people do not know, for which I am eternally grateful. How can I tell you? It is so simple, but folks hear it and ignore it. Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself, and don't do to others that which you hate, and trust in God, and do not be afraid. Do your best, do the right thing. It's all okay.
Het jy tydens jou ervaring inligting ontvang oor die betekenis van die lewe?
No
Het jy in 'n lewe na die dood geglo voor jou ervaring?
An afterlife probably does not exist
Glo jy in 'n lewe na die dood na jou ervaring?
An afterlife definitely exists Oh yes, consciousness and personality continues after bodily death. To that extent there is no death really. The body dies. You do not die. You are not equal to your body. Mind is not the same thing as brain.
Het jy die dood vrees voor jou ervaring?
I moderately feared death
Vrees jy die dood na jou ervaring
I do not fear death
Was jy bang om jou lewe te leef voordat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Slightly fearful in living my earthly life
Was jy bang om jou lewe te leef nadat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Not fearful in living my earthly life
Het jy geglo dat ons aardse lewens betekenisvol en belangrik is voordat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Are possibly meaningful and significant
Het jy geglo dat ons aardse lewens betekenisvol en belangrik is nadat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Are meaningful and significant
Het jy inligting verwerf oor hoe om ons lewens te leef?
Yes Don't be afraid. Death is nothing to fear. It is quite okay. You do your best in your life and the rest takes care of itself.
Het jy tydens jou ervaring inligting oor die moeilike, uitdagings en swaarkry in die lewe verwerf?
No
Was jy mededeelsaam voordat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Moderately compassionate toward others
Het jy tydens jou ervaring inligting oor liefde verwerf?
Yes Love is limitless and a quite real thing, like air or water. We do not feel this when in the body.
Was jy mededeelsaam nadat jy jou ervaring gehad het
Greatly compassionate toward others
Watter lewensveranderings het in jou lewe plaasgevind na jou ervaring?
Large changes in my life I do not know why, but my life from that time to now has consistently had strange interventions. Any way I put this will sound absurd. My life has been blessed with lots of silly little miracles. God is a great joker in my case. He always reminds me that he's with me. The Almighty has a sense of humor. I always try to rationalize what happens but really, I've given up. God acts in the everyday world. That is the miracle of God. The miracle is all around us, and we do not see it.
Het jou verhoudings spesifiek verander as gevolg van jou ervaring?
Uncertain I can't really say.
Na die NDE
Was die ervaring moeilik om in woorde uit te druk?
No It was not especially difficult except it was unlike anything else and so when I describe it, it sounds a bit silly, like something made up. So for many years I told nobody about it, because I thought they'd think I was nuts or lying.
Hoe akkuraat onthou jy die ervaring in vergelyking met ander lewensevenemente wat rondom die tyd van die ervaring gebeur het?
I remember the experience more accurately than other life events that occurred around the time of the experience I remember exactly. It is as vivid now as 46 years ago.
Het jy enige psigiese, ongewone of ander spesiale gawes ná jou ervaring wat jy nie voor die ervaring gehad het nie?
No
Is daar een of meer dele van jou ervaring wat veral betekenisvol of belangrik vir jou is? Verduidelik asseblief.
The sea of light. I should have stayed!
Het jy al ooit hierdie ervaring met ander gedeel?
Yes Oh years and years went by! I'd say thirty years. Finally I heard of these near death experiences, and I said ‘Oh yes, that's like what happened to me.’ I don't think people are much influenced by hearing the experiences of others. If it had not happened to me I would not believe it myself.
Het jy enige kennis van byna-dood ervarings (NDE) gehad vóór jou ervaring?
No
Wat het jy geglo oor die werklikheid van jou ervaring kort nadat dit gebeur het (dae tot weke)?
Experience was definitely real. It was real. It really happened. There was never the slightest doubt of that.
Wat glo jy nou oor die werklikheid van jou ervaring?
Experience was definitely real. Well, it was more real than anything in my life. I could sooner believe my whole life is a dream. The experience was just very, very real.
Het enigiets ooit enige deel van die ervaring weergee in enige stadium van jou lewe?
No I've had very many drug trips and similar things, but nothing is even remotely like the near death experience. On some drugs you do feel the oneness though. That is similar.
Is daar enigiets anders wat jy wil byvoeg oor jou ervaring?
I am so grateful to have been chosen to have this experience.