Robert B
NDE
Greyson-skaal: 23
#2379
- LandUnited States
- GeslagM
- OuderdomOlder Child
- Datum Ervaar3/31/1957
- Datum ingedien12/4/2005
Die ervaring het ingesluit
Tyd het alle betekenis verloorHulle verlede sien (Lewensoorsig)Sien hul toekomsSien 'n helder onaardse ligOntwikkel psigiese vermoënsBegryp alles oor die heelalUVE, Uit-die-liggaam-ervaringVoel een met die heelalHet waarskynlik kliniese dood ervaarOBE, Observed concurrent events away from bodyGeestelike wêreld meer werklik as fisiese werklikheidHet gevoel asof hulle huis toe teruggekeer hetUittredingervaring-waarnemings met iemand anders bevestigHet geleer oor kwantumfisika-eienskappeOnthou besonderhede van wat hulle oor kwantumfisika geleer hetTyd is 'n illusie en bestaan nie in die geestelike wêreld nieHet besluit om na die lewe terug te keer
Ervaring Beskrywing
It began on a drizzly Sunday morning on March 31, 1957. While attempting to hoist a number of aluminum sections into the air for a short-wave antenna, it came in contact with the very top 8,200 volt line. My brother released before I did but still he received burns on both his hands. I held on for the entire duration and came to observe my crumpled body still holding onto the pole. I could smell my burning flesh mixed with ozone and steam coming from this body on the ground I was rapidly losing interest in. I held until it burned through the entire thick power line.
I experienced initial pain, feeling of being skinned alive, reversed, extreme calm, peace, and many of the classic NDE elements. What others call a tunnel I have concluded is absence to such a degree the mind gives it texture. I saw the Light approach; the light enveloped me. An entity that was to prepare me for what I call my Interview with a supreme being later in the Light. This first being appeared to be the Virgin Mary. Only after asking, 'Are you truly the Virgin Mary?' did it instantly manifested its true identity. I was nearly paralyzed with fear until again asking, 'Please, what is happening to me what is going on here?' From that point, all flowed out. Humor functioning far beyond its role here, sights and images coming together with reciprocals to produce physical music. There is no time. Time is a parochial concept for humans existing in truncated physics. To behold the whole of it, you see 'physical music'.
I beheld both my mother screaming over my dead body and my father across town at the same time. I was everywhere dead and nowhere alive. What I want to stress, if you're not an active participant in this event, you will get off lightly, convinced you have seen God, an angel or a departed family member. Nice enough in itself. A joy to take with you forever but very different from the impact of a full Interview and Exchange that must be initiated by you. You pay a heavy price. Not a single day goes by I do not think of my decision to return for my mother. Not a day passes when I am not mourning and yearning to go home again.
There are bits of impossible physics surrounding my story. According to attending doctors, it is impossible my shoes were blown sixty feet away from my body or these circular scars came from 8,200 volts. The most interesting was an eye-witness account that during my electrocution I was surrounded in a blue light that did not terminate with the antenna at the pole but extended beyond, up into the low scudding clouds passing over at the time. Any check into the local newspaper files for March 31, 1957 you will find a story of two brothers putting up an antenna, my electrocution, and a strange very widespread outage of power throughout the city that Sunday morning.
I experienced initial pain, feeling of being skinned alive, reversed, extreme calm, peace, and many of the classic NDE elements. What others call a tunnel I have concluded is absence to such a degree the mind gives it texture. I saw the Light approach; the light enveloped me. An entity that was to prepare me for what I call my Interview with a supreme being later in the Light. This first being appeared to be the Virgin Mary. Only after asking, 'Are you truly the Virgin Mary?' did it instantly manifested its true identity. I was nearly paralyzed with fear until again asking, 'Please, what is happening to me what is going on here?' From that point, all flowed out. Humor functioning far beyond its role here, sights and images coming together with reciprocals to produce physical music. There is no time. Time is a parochial concept for humans existing in truncated physics. To behold the whole of it, you see 'physical music'.
I beheld both my mother screaming over my dead body and my father across town at the same time. I was everywhere dead and nowhere alive. What I want to stress, if you're not an active participant in this event, you will get off lightly, convinced you have seen God, an angel or a departed family member. Nice enough in itself. A joy to take with you forever but very different from the impact of a full Interview and Exchange that must be initiated by you. You pay a heavy price. Not a single day goes by I do not think of my decision to return for my mother. Not a day passes when I am not mourning and yearning to go home again.
There are bits of impossible physics surrounding my story. According to attending doctors, it is impossible my shoes were blown sixty feet away from my body or these circular scars came from 8,200 volts. The most interesting was an eye-witness account that during my electrocution I was surrounded in a blue light that did not terminate with the antenna at the pole but extended beyond, up into the low scudding clouds passing over at the time. Any check into the local newspaper files for March 31, 1957 you will find a story of two brothers putting up an antenna, my electrocution, and a strange very widespread outage of power throughout the city that Sunday morning.
Agtergrond Inligting
Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
March 31, 1957
NDE Elemente
Was daar 'n lewensgevaarlike gebeurtenis op die tydstip van jou ervaring?
Yes Accident Electrocuted by top high power lines that go to the transformer before reduction. Clinical death (cessation of breathing or heart function or brain function)
I was electrocuted. All flesh on my feet burned away. There were six holes to my bones in both legs, blood exiting eyes, nose, and ears. Blood squeezed out capillaries in my chest. To this day, I still have clear circular exit hole scars on my legs. At the time, the holes were cauterized by heat and you could see to the bone. Later was shown documentation by 'experts' saying these holes could not have been produced by electricity. They also say that shoes cannot be blown sixty feet away from the person.
Hoe oorweeg jy die inhoud van jou ervaring?
Wonderful
Het jy gevoel jy is geskei van jou liggaam?
Yes
I clearly left my body and existed outside it
Hoe het jou hoogste vlak van bewussyn en waaksaamheid tydens die ervaring vergelyk met jou normale alledaagse bewussyn en waaksaamheid?
More consciousness and alertness than normal Duluth airport, middle of winter with a raging northern, temperatures at minus twenty-five and winds howling. On a juniper branch, a nearly dead chrysalis is encased in a lifeless motionless shroud clinging to a limb. That is human existence. That dead lifeless creature is 'Normal every day consciousness and alertness' compared to NDE.
Watter tyd gedurende die ervaring was jy op jou hoogste vlak van bewussyn en waaksaamheid?
While surely dead on the ground smoking from the pressure of the electricity still surging thorough my body, but elsewhere involved with the Supreme Being, the Interview, the Transfer, and then the terrible choice to stay or return. Seeing my mother wailing and praying I chose to return for her. The highest consciousness was prior to the wrap up of the Exchange and preparing to return.
Was jou gedagtes versnel?
Incredibly fast
Het dit gelyk asof die tyd versnel of vertraag het?
Everything seemed to be happening all at once
Question 25 is impossible for an NDE. This is the unnatural, near death, darkened and altered world. This world here. Where I was is the bright, unaltered, non-truncated and free awareness. Physics is complete. Here it is educated guesses and nested errors. So no, no 'seeming to enter' but definitely breathing and being filled with all space, time, and physics that is. Not the tiny slit of local perceptions here.
Was jou sintuie helderder as gewoonlik?
Incredibly more so
Vergelyk asseblief jou sig tydens die ervaring met jou alledaagse sig wat jy onmiddellik voor die tyd van die ervaring gehad het
When you spot the pretty lady going to her car, you are not looking through a pane of office glass but living through twelve dimensions as distinct as the two worlds on each side of the office glass. The awareness of the role of these dimensions will someday show how we presently live in a world of created nested-errors.
Vergelyk asseblief jou gehoor tydens die ervaring met jou alledaagse gehoor wat jy onmiddellik voor die tyd van die ervaring gehad het
No such thing as hearing. Speech an overlaid function and hearing purely a human function. Meaningless.
Het dit gelyk of jy bewus was van dinge wat elders gebeur?
Yes, and the facts have been checked out
Het jy in of deur 'n tonnel gegaan?
Uncertain As mentioned earlier I have come to believing the mind cannot stand absence to this degree and the mind gives texture to it, therefore a tunnel. I suspect if you asked NDErs was it a tunnel or absence to such a degree you could touch it they would go with the latter. No. No tunnel but the greatest absence the mind will ever know.
Het jy enige wesens in jou ervaring gesien?
Saw them
Het jy enige oorlede (of lewende) wesens teëgekom of daarvan bewus geword?
Yes Again, the first encounter was with what I was sure was the Virgin Mary of my Catholic upbringing. The most frightful part of the NDE are the moments I took initiative and asked questions. It took a lot of moving beyond the fear to be so bold but I asked, 'Are you really the Mother Mary?' Instantly I saw what I already sensed was happening here. Every molecule in my being suddenly seemed to leap with joy on the new knowledge and understanding. No, it was not the Virgin Mary. You are approaching home. The need to have it be the Mother Mary fades.
Het jy 'n briljante lig gesien, of gevoel omring deur 'n briljante lig?
A light clearly of mystical or other-worldly origin
Het jy 'n onwerklik lig gesien?
Yes It began as a small dot. I had no reference point on whether it was approaching me or if I was moving toward it. It enveloped me. It is Light, It is alive, and it is brilliant beyond any description. So alive, so totally home and complete love.
No human unprepared could encounter this and live. Unprepared, you die, without question.
Het dit gelyk asof jy 'n ander, onwêreldse wêreld binnegegaan het?
Neither Absolutely, very certainly there were many levels of increased consciousness and awareness. Each an awakening and sharpening. Just as you begin to be filled with the joy of waking and experiencing color, light, new physics, new compliments, symmetry, you are rushed forward to another greater awakening, no time to stop, touch or dwell on the things before you. Geometry applies here.
Watter ander emosies het jy tydens die ervaring gevoel?
The thirteen year old boy below me on the ground came to have no more significance than adjacent fence work or stones. At this point something magnificent is clearly approaching and preempting any temporal values.
Het jy 'n gevoel van vrede of aangenaamheid gehad?
Incredible peace or pleasantness
Het jy 'n gevoel van vreugde gehad?
Incredible joy
Het jy 'n gevoel van harmonie of eenheid met die heelal gehad?
United, one with the world
Het dit skielik voorgekom of jy alles verstaan?
Everything about the universe
Het tonele uit jou verlede na jou teruggekeer?
Past flashed before me, out of my control As with my initial vision of the Virgin Mary, I have the belief similar visions of angels, or departed family members are buffers against the reality of what the mind is experiencing. Depending on the country or region, these buffers are predictable. Most accept them without question.
Het tonele uit die toekoms na jou gekom?
From the world's future
Accurate.
Het jy by 'n grens of punt van geen terugkeer gekom?
A conscious decision to 'return' to life
God, Geestelikheid en Godsdienst
Wat was jou godsdienst voor jou ervaring?
Conservative/fundamentalist Devout Catholic and altar boy
Het jou godsdienstige praktyke verander sedert jou ervaring?
Yes Profoundly so. That Sunday I was electrocuted, I was a devout Catholic and altar boy that looked forward to serving Mass. Immediately after my accident and NDE a profound sense of shame that man could be so arrogant with his creation of religion. So sad and silly.
Wat is jou godsdienst nou?
Moderate From the accident onward, spiritual and unable to see value in religious custom or dogma. Completely meaningless relative to the NDE experience. More a moderate conservative.
Het jy 'n verandering in jou waardes en geloofsartikels as gevolg van jou ervaring gehad?
Yes Profoundly so. That Sunday I was electrocuted, I was a devout Catholic and altar boy that looked forward to serving Mass. Immediately after my accident and NDE a profound sense of shame that man could be so arrogant with his creation of religion. So sad and silly.
Het dit gelyk asof jy 'n mistieke wese of teenwoordigheid teëgekom het, of 'n onidentifiseerbare stem gehoor het?
Definite being, or voice clearly of mystical or other-worldly origin
Het jy oorlede of godsdienstige geeste gesien?
Saw them
Betreffende ons aardse lewens behalwe Godsdienst
Het jy tydens jou ervaring spesiale kennis of inligting oor jou doel verkry?
Yes Question 27. Again, no 'seem.' There is no time to speed up. All is.
Question 28. At the Transfer within the Interview. There is no library or database to hold it. There is no vocabulary or references for it. It resides just below every conscious moment.
Het jou verhoudings spesifiek verander as gevolg van jou ervaring?
No But the fundamental grasp of the nature of things, like understanding religion and science have the same pedigree, yes, but personal relationships, few know of my NDE.
Na die NDE
Was die ervaring moeilik om in woorde uit te druk?
Yes Sights, objects, reciprocals of known physics, for which I have no vocabulary.
Het jy enige psigiese, ongewone of ander spesiale gawes ná jou ervaring wat jy nie voor die ervaring gehad het nie?
Yes The ability to focus on essence on a molecular and sub level. This has occurred at various times and years beyond the electrocution and without any known set of criteria.
Is daar een of meer dele van jou ervaring wat veral betekenisvol of belangrik vir jou is? Verduidelik asseblief.
The Interview and The Exchange. No vocabulary. Not even a starting point do I have for this glorious event.
Physically the greatest pain was when they pulled the remainder of my socks off my feet. While waiting for the ambulance. I was on a neighbor's sofa and a lady ran in saying take his shoes and socks off. My shoes were already blown off. She reached under the blanket and pulled the bottoms of my feet off and when seeing the burnt flesh, she threw up. My tongue would not permit me to shout or talk but I knew I was back.
Het jy al ooit hierdie ervaring met ander gedeel?
Yes Twenty-five years passed before I shared my experience. The only exception I asked my mother to describe her location and actions during my electrocution. She described precisely what I saw while down and apparently unconscious on the ground many yards from the house. The very small handful (count on one hand) of people I have shared the most detail with have been very moved.
Het jy enige kennis van byna-dood ervarings (NDE) gehad vóór jou ervaring?
No At thirteen years of age, it was school, serving Mass as an altar boy, discovering girls, and the very first signs of Rock N' Roll.
Wat het jy geglo oor die werklikheid van jou ervaring kort nadat dit gebeur het (dae tot weke)?
Experience was definitely real Look around you. You live in a world right now that goes beyond cultural differences. We now move with people in realities outside our own. The experience was real but I recognize an electrical explosion in my temporal lobe can produce its own reality. Do I subscribe to NDE being this? Absolutely not.
Wat glo jy nou oor die werklikheid van jou ervaring?
Experience was definitely real Not a single bit of information as left my memory. Questions 40 and 41 implies it fades. Not a single item.
Het enigiets ooit enige deel van die ervaring weergee in enige stadium van jou lewe?
No Nothing even close.
Is daar enigiets anders wat jy wil byvoeg oor jou ervaring?
I have come to learn very few NDEs have had the strength and courage to be active during the experience, to ask, and as a result of this strength, to be taken into The Exchange. 99.9% of what would follow here is of no human value or meaning. It is also the essence of most of my joy.
Is daar enige ander vrae wat ons kan vra om jou te help om jou ervaring te kommunikeer?
I would create some questions that address the memory of outbound versus complete loss of memory of inbound or the return part of the NDE. Also some questions that reveal how the NDE perceives the dual and complimenting roles of religion and science (two sides of one thing). Also invite discussions specific to matters and the role of things sub-atomic.
However, this is a very good questionnaire as is. Thank you!