George E

Probable NDE Κλίμακα Greyson: 12
#20130, #6923
  • ΧώραPuerto Rico
  • ΦύλοM
  • ΗλικίαCollege Age
  • Ημερομηνία Εμπειρίας1/1/1967
  • Ημερομηνία Υποβολής9/27/2013
Η εμπειρία περιλάμβανε
Βλέποντας το παρελθόν τους (Ανασκόπηση Ζωής)Βλέπω ένα φωτεινό εξωγήινο φωςΚατανόηση των πάντων για το σύμπανΕΠΣ, Εμπειρία εκτός σώματοςΟ πνευματικός κόσμος πιο πραγματικός από τη φυσική πραγματικότηταΝιώθουν σαν να επέστρεψαν στο σπίτιΤο σύμπαν αποτελείται μόνο από αγάπη και φωςΣύγκρινε την εμπειρία με ψυχεδελικάΑποφάσισε να επιστρέψει στη ζωή

Περιγραφή Εμπειρίας

9/7/2014
I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis, and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was losing water at this fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but I ate nothing. Oh man, I was SICK! I was getting weaker and weaker.
On the eighth day of this misery, I seemed to float right up out of my body. So I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed still as a corpse, and I said ‘Oh (beep)! I've died!!’ I was unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’ So then, I felt calm and very good, thinking ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog, this is quite okay.’ So I'm floating in the room, right? And it is daytime. Outside there was a church and the bells started ringing. This was normal. I had a strong urge to go check it out so I floated out of the window. Outside it was blindingly bright. Whoa! It was SO BRIGHT. In a word, it was hard to see. Don't ask see with what, because I don't have a clue, my eyes being back in my body. But I could see the church steeple, and made a circuit of it. At this point I'm feeling very exhilarated. I'm flying around free of my body! And two things really hit me at that moment: first, the body isn't ME, it's just a body; and second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, we all just float off peacefully, because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know. At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body, and I went back inside, and sort of lay down in my body. And I slept. And the next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering.
Now-- Because of this experience, I came to think at the time that the spirit endures, and we go off peacefully. This idea I have entertained ever since to a degree, but I rather think now that it was merely a biochemical sort of effect, not anything 'real' in the sense of supernatural. I accept the idea it could be a hallucination of some sort, but it seemed very genuine at the time. So on the real significance of out of body experiences, I just don't know. But I've not feared death per se during my life for which I am very grateful.

Πληροφορίες Υπόβαθρου

Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
August 1967

Στοιχεία NDE

Κατά τη διάρκεια της εμπειρίας σας, υπήρχε κάποιο σχετιζόμενο γεγονός που απειλούσε τη ζωή;
Uncertain Illness 'Illness, trauma or other condition not considered life threatening' I was very sick. Life threatening? Probably not.
Πώς θεωρείτε το περιεχόμενο της εμπειρίας σας;
Positive
Η εμπειρία περιλάμβανε
Out of body experience
Νιώσατε ότι αποχωριστήκατε από το σώμα σας;
Yes Totally disembodied. I saw my body on the bed.
Σε ποιο σημείο της εμπειρίας σας βρισκόσασταν στο υψηλότερο επίπεδο συνείδησης και εγρήγορσης;
I seemed perfectly alert.
Φαινόταν ότι ο χρόνος επιταχυνόταν ή επιβραδυνόταν;
No
Είχε η ακοή σας κάποιον διαφορά από το φυσιολογικό;
Church bells.
Περάσατε μέσα από ένα τούνελ;
No
Η εμπειρία περιλάμβανε
Light
Είδατε ένα άλλου κόσμου φως;
Yes It was very bright. Blindingly bright actually, like being surrounded by very bright sunlight.
Φαινόταν ότι εισήλθατε σε έναν άλλον, εξωκοσμικό κόσμο;
A clearly mystical or unearthly realm Well, everything seemed normal. I could hear and see. I can't say there was any sensation of feeling. In fact, I guess I'd say there was not any sensation of feeling or touch. But it wasn't like numbness.
Ποιες άλλες συναισθήματα νιώσατε κατά τη διάρκεια της εμπειρίας;
Initially, anxiety. Afterwards, exhilaration and a sort of curiosity.
Ξαφνικά φάνηκε να καταλαβαίνετε τα πάντα;
Everything about the universe I concluded during the experience that it was a great joke on Christianity, that heaven and hell were obviously false and unreal, and this amused me and pleased me, that these people were so wrong and foolish. I was giddy with the knowledge that death was so easy and pleasant. That's how I was feeling at that time, that it was just a matter of floating away.
Σας ήρθαν πίσω σκηνές από το παρελθόν σας;
My past flashed before me, out of my control I went out the window, and flew around. It was very pleasant.
Σας ήρθαν σκηνές από το μέλλον;
No
Φτάσατε σε ένα όριο ή σημείο χωρίς επιστροφή;
I came to a barrier that I was not permitted to cross; or was sent back against my will Yes. I decided to go back to the body. I thought ‘Well, this is cool, but enough is enough, I'll just go lie back in the body, and if I'm dead well no problem, and if I'm not, that's fine too.’

Θεός, Πνευματικότητα και Θρησκεία

Είχατε αλλαγή στις αξίες και τις πεποιθήσεις σας λόγω της εμπειρίας σας;
Yes I became a more confirmed atheist and infidel. Before, I was uncertain about the claims of religion, but afterwards I thought, ‘These guys are just like scam artists, they don't have a clue about any of it.’

Σχετικά με τις κοσμικές μας ζωές εκτός από τη Θρησκεία

Μετά το NDE

Ήταν η εμπειρία δύσκολο να εκφραστεί με λέξεις;
No
Έχετε ψυχικές, ασυνήθιστες ή άλλες ειδικές ικανότητες μετά την εμπειρία σας που δεν είχατε πριν;
No
Υπάρχουν ένα ή περισσότερα μέρη της εμπειρίας σας που είναι ιδιαίτερα σημαντικά ή με νόημα για εσάς; Παρακαλώ εξηγήστε.
The best part was flying. There was no bad part, really.
Έχετε μοιραστεί ποτέ αυτή την εμπειρία σας με άλλους;
Yes I don't really emphasize the supposedly spiritual dimension, and I have not told very many people, but I've told a few that death is just nothing to fear. That we all will float off peacefully.
Υπάρχει κάτι άλλο που θα θέλατε να προσθέσετε για την εμπειρία σας;
I do not think, after years of reflection on it, that my experience is anything that would tend to prove that the spirit or soul or mind survives death. I thought at the time that this was what my experience demonstrated, but I now tend to think it was just some sort of biochemical thing. Either way, it’s no big deal really.
Οι ερωτήσεις που σας έγιναν και οι πληροφορίες που παρείχατε, περιέγραψαν ακριβώς και κατανοητά την εμπειρία σας;
Uncertain

Περιγραφή Εμπειρίας 6923

9/29/2013
On the eighth day of my illness, I seemed to just float right up out of my body. I saw my body from above. I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed, still as a corpse, and I said, ‘Oh, sh#$! I've died!!’ I was basically unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself, ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’
So, then I felt calm and very good, thinking, ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog. This is quite okay.’
I'm floating in the room, now feeling elated, and I decided to float out the window. The windows in this rooming house where I lived were just a series of louvers. You could stick your hand right outside the building if you wanted to. I had a strong urge to go check out what was outside so I floated out of the window.
Outside it was blindingly bright, with the light everywhere, not coming from any particular source, but as if the light were a liquid and I was in a sea of light.
At this point, I'm feeling very exhilarated, completely euphoric. I'm moving around free of my body. And two things really hit me at that moment. First, the body isn't ME. It's just a body. Second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, in terms of the popular images of streets of gold and pearly gates versus the lake of fire and the eternal torment. We all just float off peacefully because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know.
At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body and I went back inside. I thought it was better not to just leave my body there, though it was purely joyful in the sea of light. I went back in the room and I sort of lay down in my body to rest. The next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering, and I was not dead. I had thought that after taking a little rest in the body, now that I knew that being dead was okay, I’d be able to go back to the sea of light. This was not to be, though. Not right then anyway.

Πληροφορίες Υπόβαθρου

Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
Summer 1967

Στοιχεία NDE

Κατά τη διάρκεια της εμπειρίας σας, υπήρχε κάποιο σχετιζόμενο γεγονός που απειλούσε τη ζωή;
Yes Illness Life threatening event, but not clinical death I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was extremely ill, suffering from painful cramps. I was losing water at a fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but basically I ate nothing. I was getting weaker and weaker.
Πώς θεωρείτε το περιεχόμενο της εμπειρίας σας;
Entirely pleasant
Η εμπειρία περιλάμβανε
Out of body experience
Νιώσατε ότι αποχωριστήκατε από το σώμα σας;
Yes I saw my body on the bed. That is not a moment I'll ever forget. I heard the bells of the church nearby.
Πώς συγκρίθηκε το υψηλότερο επίπεδο συνείδησης και εγρήγορσης κατά τη διάρκεια της εμπειρίας με την κανονική καθημερινή σας συνείδηση και εγρήγορση;
More consciousness and alertness than normal Well, it is hard to explain. It is as if you suddenly understand that the physical life of the body is just a part of the reality, and the life of the spirit is more real, as if the physical world is a stage set sort of--- it looks real enough but it is just appearances.
Σε ποιο σημείο της εμπειρίας σας βρισκόσασταν στο υψηλότερο επίπεδο συνείδησης και εγρήγορσης;
I would say in the sea of light part, it seemed hyper-real, extremely joyful and also peaceful.
Οι σκέψεις σας επιταχύνθηκαν;
No
Φαινόταν ότι ο χρόνος επιταχυνόταν ή επιβραδυνόταν;
No
Ήταν οι αισθήσεις σας πιο ζωντανές από το συνηθισμένο;
More vivid than usual
Είχε η όρασή σας κάποια διαφορά από το φυσιολογικό
You can't close your eyes because you do not have eyes. I recall being able to look in a particular direction though. Vision was very sharp. The incredibly bright light in the sea of light was not painful.
Είχε η ακοή σας κάποιον διαφορά από το φυσιολογικό;
I could hear. I heard church bells. There was a church nearby. Hearing seemed normal I should say.
Φαινόταν ότι ήσασταν ενήμερος για γεγονότα που συνέβαιναν κάπου αλλού;
No
Περάσατε μέσα από ένα τούνελ;
Uncertain It was not a tunnel, it was a sea of light. The light was everywhere but with no source.
Είδατε κανένα όν στην εμπειρία σας;
No
Συναντήσατε ή γίνατε ενήμεροι για οποιουσδήποτε θανόντες (ή ζωντανούς) beings;
No
Η εμπειρία περιλάμβανε
Unearthly light
Είδατε ή νιώσατε ότι περιβάλλεστε από ένα λαμπρό φως;
An unusually bright light
Είδατε ένα άλλου κόσμου φως;
Yes If you just imagine being deep in the ocean and every molecule of water is radiating light that will give you an idea of what it was like.
Φαινόταν ότι εισήλθατε σε έναν άλλον, εξωκοσμικό κόσμο;
Some unfamiliar and strange place It was sure not anyplace earthly. Though I did not sense other beings, it still was not a lonely place. It was strange, but also like home. So you feel, oh good, I'm home, everything is okay. Death is not what folks think. It's okay.
Η εμπειρία περιλάμβανε
Strong emotional tone
Ποιες άλλες συναισθήματα νιώσατε κατά τη διάρκεια της εμπειρίας;
First, fear. I was dead, and if you could die twice seeing my body on the bed would have scared me to death again! Then, immediately thereafter, I was able to reason that I was really okay, because I could think and see things. Then I was very joyful. In the sea of light, it was wonderful, joyful, and peaceful. I should not have left.
Νιώσατε ένα αίσθημα ειρήνης ή ευχαρίστησης;
Incredible peace or pleasantness
Νιώσατε ένα αίσθημα χαράς;
incredible joy
Αισθανθήκατε μια αίσθηση αρμονίας ή ενότητας με το σύμπαν;
I felt no longer in conflict with nature
Ξαφνικά φάνηκε να καταλαβαίνετε τα πάντα;
Everything about myself or others I would not say I understood everything!! It is different from that. It's like you see things as they really are, or understand that you don't need to be concerned about the details, because it's all fine, it's all okay, you're home again.
Σας ήρθαν πίσω σκηνές από το παρελθόν σας;
No
Σας ήρθαν σκηνές από το μέλλον;
No
Φτάσατε σε ένα όριο ή σημείο χωρίς επιστροφή;
I came to a barrier that I was not permitted to cross; or was sent back against my will I did not think I was returning to life. I thought I'd just take a rest in my body, then go back to the sea of light. Now I have to die all over again to get back there.

Θεός, Πνευματικότητα και Θρησκεία

Τι σημασία δώσατε στη θρησκευτική/πνευματική σας ζωή πριν από την εμπειρία σας
Slightly important to me
Ποια ήταν η θρησκεία σας πριν από την εμπειρία σας;
Christian- Protestant I have been educated in Episcopal Church schools, and had at the time of the experience a great deal of religious instruction including daily chapel. I was not however a believer in any deep sense.
Έχουν αλλάξει οι θρησκευτικές σας πρακτικές από την εμπειρία σας;
Yes Well, not as a direct result, but over time I've had religious experiences that I finally integrated with the near death experience. I do not know, Why me? It is a great puzzle. I suppose some are chosen or something. I guess we'll find out later on.
Τι σημασία δίνετε στη θρησκευτική/πνευματική σας ζωή μετά την εμπειρία σας
Greatly important to me
Ποια είναι η θρησκεία σας τώρα;
Christian- Protestant From the time of the experience to the present, a period of nearly half a century, I have been subjected to divine manifestations including outright miracles. God pestered me until I surrendered. I did not want to believe. I worked in a scientific department at a university. It was not at all convenient to be a Christian. Nevertheless, I was finally forced to it. I have no idea why. It is all very strange and mysterious to me. I was not looking for this transcendent divine love: it knocked me repeatedly in the head until I accepted its reality.
Η εμπειρία σας περιλάμβανε χαρακτηριστικά συμβατά με τις κοσμικές σας πεποιθήσεις;
Content that was both consistent and not consistent with the beliefs you had at the time of your experience I was not understanding about what love means. It is not something you earn by being a good person.
Είχατε αλλαγή στις αξίες και τις πεποιθήσεις σας λόγω της εμπειρίας σας;
Yes Be good. Do the right thing. Read scripture. Pray for help, understanding, and forgiveness. Keep trying. Try to do better. Do not be afraid. It's all okay!
Φαινόταν ότι συναντήσατε ένα μυστικό ον ή παρουσία ή ακούσατε μία ακαθόριστη φωνή;
No
Είδατε αποθανόντες ή θρησκευτικά πνεύματα;
No
Συναντήσατε ή ενημερωθήκατε για οποιαδήποτε οντά που προηγουμένως έζησαν στη γη και περιγράφονται με όνομα σε θρησκείες (για παράδειγμα: Ιησούς, Μωάμεθ, Βούδας, κ.λπ.);
No
Κατά τη διάρκεια της εμπειρίας σας, αποκτήσατε πληροφορίες σχετικά με την ύπαρξη του Θεού;
No
Κατά τη διάρκεια της εμπειρίας σας, αποκτήσατε πληροφορίες σχετικά με την καθολική σύνδεση ή την ενότητα;
No
Πιστεύατε στην ύπαρξη του Θεού πριν από την εμπειρία σας;
God probably exists┬
Κατά τη διάρκεια της εμπειρίας σας, αποκτήσατε πληροφορίες σχετικά με την ύπαρξη του Θεού;
Uncertain During the time of the experience I was mostly amused that the idea of hell with fire etc and heaven with pearly gates was wrong, that you just float off peacefully. I did not at that time understand that the peace and joy and love actually = God. That came much later.
Πιστεύετε στην ύπαρξη του Θεού μετά την εμπειρία σας;
God definitely exists

Σχετικά με τις κοσμικές μας ζωές εκτός από τη Θρησκεία

Κατά τη διάρκεια της εμπειρίας σας, αποκτήσατε ειδικές γνώσεις ή πληροφορίες σχετικά με τον σκοπό σας;
Yes Well, I know something of great value, that most people do not know, for which I am eternally grateful. How can I tell you? It is so simple, but folks hear it and ignore it. Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself, and don't do to others that which you hate, and trust in God, and do not be afraid. Do your best, do the right thing. It's all okay.
Κατά τη διάρκεια της εμπειρίας σας, αποκτήσατε πληροφορίες για το νόημα της ζωής;
No
Πιστεύατε σε μια ζωή μετά θάνατον πριν από την εμπειρία σας;
An afterlife probably does not exist
Πιστεύετε σε μια ζωή μετά θάνατον μετά την εμπειρία σας;
An afterlife definitely exists Oh yes, consciousness and personality continues after bodily death. To that extent there is no death really. The body dies. You do not die. You are not equal to your body. Mind is not the same thing as brain.
Φοβόσασταν το θάνατο πριν από την εμπειρία σας;
I moderately feared death
Φοβάστε τον θάνατο μετά την εμπειρία σας
I do not fear death
Φοβόσασταν να ζείτε τη ζωή σας πριν από την εμπειρία σας
Slightly fearful in living my earthly life
Φοβόσασταν να ζείτε τη ζωή σας μετά την εμπειρία σας
Not fearful in living my earthly life
Πιστεύατε ότι οι γήινες ζωές μας είναι σημαντικές και ουσιαστικές πριν από την εμπειρία σας
Are possibly meaningful and significant
Πιστεύατε ότι οι γήινες ζωές μας είναι σημαντικές και ουσιαστικές μετά την εμπειρία σας
Are meaningful and significant
Αποκτήσατε πληροφορίες για το πώς να ζούμε τις ζωές μας;
Yes Don't be afraid. Death is nothing to fear. It is quite okay. You do your best in your life and the rest takes care of itself.
Κατά τη διάρκεια της εμπειρίας σας, αποκτήσατε πληροφορίες σχετικά με τις δυσκολίες, τις προκλήσεις και τις δοκιμασίες της ζωής;
No
Ήσασταν συμπονετικοί πριν από την εμπειρία σας
Moderately compassionate toward others
Κατά τη διάρκεια της εμπειρίας σας, αποκτήσατε πληροφορίες σχετικά με την αγάπη;
Yes Love is limitless and a quite real thing, like air or water. We do not feel this when in the body.
Ήσασταν συμπονετικοί μετά την εμπειρία σας
Greatly compassionate toward others
Ποιες αλλαγές στη ζωή σας συνέβησαν μετά την εμπειρία σας;
Large changes in my life I do not know why, but my life from that time to now has consistently had strange interventions. Any way I put this will sound absurd. My life has been blessed with lots of silly little miracles. God is a great joker in my case. He always reminds me that he's with me. The Almighty has a sense of humor. I always try to rationalize what happens but really, I've given up. God acts in the everyday world. That is the miracle of God. The miracle is all around us, and we do not see it.
Έχουν αλλάξει οι σχέσεις σας συγκεκριμένα ως αποτέλεσμα της εμπειρίας σας;
Uncertain I can't really say.

Μετά το NDE

Ήταν η εμπειρία δύσκολο να εκφραστεί με λέξεις;
No It was not especially difficult except it was unlike anything else and so when I describe it, it sounds a bit silly, like something made up. So for many years I told nobody about it, because I thought they'd think I was nuts or lying.
Πόσο ακριβώς θυμάστε την εμπειρία σε σύγκριση με άλλα γεγονότα της ζωής που συνέβησαν γύρω από το χρόνο της εμπειρίας;
I remember the experience more accurately than other life events that occurred around the time of the experience I remember exactly. It is as vivid now as 46 years ago.
Έχετε ψυχικές, ασυνήθιστες ή άλλες ειδικές ικανότητες μετά την εμπειρία σας που δεν είχατε πριν;
No
Υπάρχουν ένα ή περισσότερα μέρη της εμπειρίας σας που είναι ιδιαίτερα σημαντικά ή με νόημα για εσάς; Παρακαλώ εξηγήστε.
The sea of light. I should have stayed!
Έχετε μοιραστεί ποτέ αυτή την εμπειρία σας με άλλους;
Yes Oh years and years went by! I'd say thirty years. Finally I heard of these near death experiences, and I said ‘Oh yes, that's like what happened to me.’ I don't think people are much influenced by hearing the experiences of others. If it had not happened to me I would not believe it myself.
Είχατε κάποια γνώση για τις εμπειρίες κοντά στο θάνατο (NDE) πριν από την εμπειρία σας;
No
Τι πιστεύατε για την πραγματικότητα της εμπειρίας σας λίγο (ημέρες έως εβδομάδες) μετά που συνέβη;
Experience was definitely real. It was real. It really happened. There was never the slightest doubt of that.
Τι πιστεύετε για την πραγματικότητα της εμπειρίας σας τώρα;
Experience was definitely real. Well, it was more real than anything in my life. I could sooner believe my whole life is a dream. The experience was just very, very real.
Σε οποιαδήποτε στιγμή της ζωής σας, έχει κάτι αναπαράγει οποιοδήποτε μέρος της εμπειρίας;
No I've had very many drug trips and similar things, but nothing is even remotely like the near death experience. On some drugs you do feel the oneness though. That is similar.
Υπάρχει κάτι άλλο που θα θέλατε να προσθέσετε για την εμπειρία σας;
I am so grateful to have been chosen to have this experience.