George E
Probable NDE
Greyson Eskala: 12
#20130, #6923
- HerrialdeaPuerto Rico
- GeneroaM
- AdinaCollege Age
- Esperientzia data1/1/1967
- Bidalitako data9/27/2013
Esperientziak barne hartzen zuen
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Esperientziaren Deskribapena
9/7/2014
I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis, and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was losing water at this fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but I ate nothing. Oh man, I was SICK! I was getting weaker and weaker.
On the eighth day of this misery, I seemed to float right up out of my body. So I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed still as a corpse, and I said ‘Oh (beep)! I've died!!’ I was unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’ So then, I felt calm and very good, thinking ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog, this is quite okay.’ So I'm floating in the room, right? And it is daytime. Outside there was a church and the bells started ringing. This was normal. I had a strong urge to go check it out so I floated out of the window. Outside it was blindingly bright. Whoa! It was SO BRIGHT. In a word, it was hard to see. Don't ask see with what, because I don't have a clue, my eyes being back in my body. But I could see the church steeple, and made a circuit of it. At this point I'm feeling very exhilarated. I'm flying around free of my body! And two things really hit me at that moment: first, the body isn't ME, it's just a body; and second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, we all just float off peacefully, because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know. At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body, and I went back inside, and sort of lay down in my body. And I slept. And the next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering.
Now-- Because of this experience, I came to think at the time that the spirit endures, and we go off peacefully. This idea I have entertained ever since to a degree, but I rather think now that it was merely a biochemical sort of effect, not anything 'real' in the sense of supernatural. I accept the idea it could be a hallucination of some sort, but it seemed very genuine at the time. So on the real significance of out of body experiences, I just don't know. But I've not feared death per se during my life for which I am very grateful.
I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis, and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was losing water at this fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but I ate nothing. Oh man, I was SICK! I was getting weaker and weaker.
On the eighth day of this misery, I seemed to float right up out of my body. So I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed still as a corpse, and I said ‘Oh (beep)! I've died!!’ I was unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’ So then, I felt calm and very good, thinking ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog, this is quite okay.’ So I'm floating in the room, right? And it is daytime. Outside there was a church and the bells started ringing. This was normal. I had a strong urge to go check it out so I floated out of the window. Outside it was blindingly bright. Whoa! It was SO BRIGHT. In a word, it was hard to see. Don't ask see with what, because I don't have a clue, my eyes being back in my body. But I could see the church steeple, and made a circuit of it. At this point I'm feeling very exhilarated. I'm flying around free of my body! And two things really hit me at that moment: first, the body isn't ME, it's just a body; and second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, we all just float off peacefully, because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know. At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body, and I went back inside, and sort of lay down in my body. And I slept. And the next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering.
Now-- Because of this experience, I came to think at the time that the spirit endures, and we go off peacefully. This idea I have entertained ever since to a degree, but I rather think now that it was merely a biochemical sort of effect, not anything 'real' in the sense of supernatural. I accept the idea it could be a hallucination of some sort, but it seemed very genuine at the time. So on the real significance of out of body experiences, I just don't know. But I've not feared death per se during my life for which I am very grateful.
Aurrekarien informazioa
Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
August 1967
Heriotzatik Hurbileko Esperientzien Elementuak
Zure esperientziaren unean, ba al zegoen bizitza arriskuan jartzen zuen gertakari bat?
Uncertain Illness 'Illness, trauma or other condition not considered life threatening' I was very sick. Life threatening? Probably not.
Nola hartzen duzu zure esperientziaren edukia?
Positive
Esperientziak barne hartzen zuen
Out of body experience
Zure gorputzetik bereizita sentitu al zara?
Yes Totally disembodied. I saw my body on the bed.
Esperientziako zein unetan egon zinen zure kontzientzia eta erne maila gorenean?
I seemed perfectly alert.
Denbora bizkortu edo moteldu egin zela iruditu al zitzaizun?
No
Zure entzumena modu batean desberdindu al zen normaltasunetik?
Church bells.
Tunel batean sartu al zinen?
No
Esperientziak barne hartzen zuen
Light
Argirik gabeko argirik ikusi al zenuen?
Yes It was very bright. Blindingly bright actually, like being surrounded by very bright sunlight.
Beste mundu ez-lurtar batean sartu zarela zirudien?
A clearly mystical or unearthly realm Well, everything seemed normal. I could hear and see. I can't say there was any sensation of feeling. In fact, I guess I'd say there was not any sensation of feeling or touch. But it wasn't like numbness.
Zer beste emozio sentitu zenituen esperientzian zehar?
Initially, anxiety. Afterwards, exhilaration and a sort of curiosity.
Bat-batean dena ulertzen zenuela iruditu al zitzaizun?
Everything about the universe I concluded during the experience that it was a great joke on Christianity, that heaven and hell were obviously false and unreal, and this amused me and pleased me, that these people were so wrong and foolish. I was giddy with the knowledge that death was so easy and pleasant. That's how I was feeling at that time, that it was just a matter of floating away.
Zure iraganeko eszenak itzuli al zaizkizu?
My past flashed before me, out of my control I went out the window, and flew around. It was very pleasant.
Etorkizuneko eszenak etorri al zitzaizkizun?
No
Muga edo itzulerarik gabeko puntura iritsi al zara?
I came to a barrier that I was not permitted to cross; or was sent back against my will Yes. I decided to go back to the body. I thought ‘Well, this is cool, but enough is enough, I'll just go lie back in the body, and if I'm dead well no problem, and if I'm not, that's fine too.’
Jainkoa, espiritualtasuna eta erlijioa
Aldaketarik izan al duzu zure balioetan eta sinesmenetan zure esperientziaren ondorioz?
Yes I became a more confirmed atheist and infidel. Before, I was uncertain about the claims of religion, but afterwards I thought, ‘These guys are just like scam artists, they don't have a clue about any of it.’
Gure Lurreko bizitzari buruz, erlijioaz gain
Heriotzatik Hurbileko Esperientziaren Ondoren
Zaila izan al zen esperientzia hitzez adieraztea?
No
Ba al duzu zure esperientziaren ondoren, aurretik ez zenituen dohain psikiko, ez-arrunt edo bestelakorik?
No
Ba al daude zure esperientziaren zati batzuk bereziki esanguratsuak edo garrantzitsuak direnak zuretzat? Mesedez, azaldu.
The best part was flying. There was no bad part, really.
Inoiz partekatu al duzu esperientzia hau besteekin?
Yes I don't really emphasize the supposedly spiritual dimension, and I have not told very many people, but I've told a few that death is just nothing to fear. That we all will float off peacefully.
Ba al dago zure esperientziari buruz gehitu nahiko zenukeen beste ezer?
I do not think, after years of reflection on it, that my experience is anything that would tend to prove that the spirit or soul or mind survives death. I thought at the time that this was what my experience demonstrated, but I now tend to think it was just some sort of biochemical thing. Either way, it’s no big deal really.
Egindako galderek eta emandako informazioak zehatz eta osotasunez deskribatu al dute zure esperientzia?
Uncertain
Esperientziaren Deskribapena 6923
9/29/2013
On the eighth day of my illness, I seemed to just float right up out of my body. I saw my body from above. I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed, still as a corpse, and I said, ‘Oh, sh#$! I've died!!’ I was basically unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself, ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’
So, then I felt calm and very good, thinking, ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog. This is quite okay.’
I'm floating in the room, now feeling elated, and I decided to float out the window. The windows in this rooming house where I lived were just a series of louvers. You could stick your hand right outside the building if you wanted to. I had a strong urge to go check out what was outside so I floated out of the window.
Outside it was blindingly bright, with the light everywhere, not coming from any particular source, but as if the light were a liquid and I was in a sea of light.
At this point, I'm feeling very exhilarated, completely euphoric. I'm moving around free of my body. And two things really hit me at that moment. First, the body isn't ME. It's just a body. Second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, in terms of the popular images of streets of gold and pearly gates versus the lake of fire and the eternal torment. We all just float off peacefully because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know.
At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body and I went back inside. I thought it was better not to just leave my body there, though it was purely joyful in the sea of light. I went back in the room and I sort of lay down in my body to rest. The next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering, and I was not dead. I had thought that after taking a little rest in the body, now that I knew that being dead was okay, I’d be able to go back to the sea of light. This was not to be, though. Not right then anyway.
On the eighth day of my illness, I seemed to just float right up out of my body. I saw my body from above. I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed, still as a corpse, and I said, ‘Oh, sh#$! I've died!!’ I was basically unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself, ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’
So, then I felt calm and very good, thinking, ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog. This is quite okay.’
I'm floating in the room, now feeling elated, and I decided to float out the window. The windows in this rooming house where I lived were just a series of louvers. You could stick your hand right outside the building if you wanted to. I had a strong urge to go check out what was outside so I floated out of the window.
Outside it was blindingly bright, with the light everywhere, not coming from any particular source, but as if the light were a liquid and I was in a sea of light.
At this point, I'm feeling very exhilarated, completely euphoric. I'm moving around free of my body. And two things really hit me at that moment. First, the body isn't ME. It's just a body. Second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, in terms of the popular images of streets of gold and pearly gates versus the lake of fire and the eternal torment. We all just float off peacefully because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know.
At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body and I went back inside. I thought it was better not to just leave my body there, though it was purely joyful in the sea of light. I went back in the room and I sort of lay down in my body to rest. The next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering, and I was not dead. I had thought that after taking a little rest in the body, now that I knew that being dead was okay, I’d be able to go back to the sea of light. This was not to be, though. Not right then anyway.
Aurrekarien informazioa
Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
Summer 1967
Heriotzatik Hurbileko Esperientzien Elementuak
Zure esperientziaren unean, ba al zegoen bizitza arriskuan jartzen zuen gertakari bat?
Yes Illness Life threatening event, but not clinical death I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was extremely ill, suffering from painful cramps. I was losing water at a fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but basically I ate nothing. I was getting weaker and weaker.
Nola hartzen duzu zure esperientziaren edukia?
Entirely pleasant
Esperientziak barne hartzen zuen
Out of body experience
Zure gorputzetik bereizita sentitu al zara?
Yes I saw my body on the bed. That is not a moment I'll ever forget. I heard the bells of the church nearby.
Nola alderatzen da esperientzian zehar kontzientzia eta erne maila gorena zure eguneroko kontzientzia eta erne mailarekin?
More consciousness and alertness than normal Well, it is hard to explain. It is as if you suddenly understand that the physical life of the body is just a part of the reality, and the life of the spirit is more real, as if the physical world is a stage set sort of--- it looks real enough but it is just appearances.
Esperientziako zein unetan egon zinen zure kontzientzia eta erne maila gorenean?
I would say in the sea of light part, it seemed hyper-real, extremely joyful and also peaceful.
Zure pentsamenduak azkartu egin al ziren?
No
Denbora bizkortu edo moteldu egin zela iruditu al zitzaizun?
No
Zure zentzumenak ohikoa baino biziagoak al ziren?
More vivid than usual
Zure ikusmena modu batean desberdindu al zen normaltasunetik?
You can't close your eyes because you do not have eyes. I recall being able to look in a particular direction though. Vision was very sharp. The incredibly bright light in the sea of light was not painful.
Zure entzumena modu batean desberdindu al zen normaltasunetik?
I could hear. I heard church bells. There was a church nearby. Hearing seemed normal I should say.
Badirudi beste leku batzuetan gertatzen ari ziren gauzak ezagutzen zenituela?
No
Tunel batean sartu al zinen?
Uncertain It was not a tunnel, it was a sea of light. The light was everywhere but with no source.
Ikusirik izan al duzu izakirik zure esperientzian?
No
Hildako (edo bizirik) izakiekin topo egin al zenuen edo horien berri izan al zenuen?
No
Esperientziak barne hartzen zuen
Unearthly light
Ikusgarri bat ikusi al zenuen, edo argi distiratsu batez inguratuta sentitu al zinen?
An unusually bright light
Argirik gabeko argirik ikusi al zenuen?
Yes If you just imagine being deep in the ocean and every molecule of water is radiating light that will give you an idea of what it was like.
Beste mundu ez-lurtar batean sartu zarela zirudien?
Some unfamiliar and strange place It was sure not anyplace earthly. Though I did not sense other beings, it still was not a lonely place. It was strange, but also like home. So you feel, oh good, I'm home, everything is okay. Death is not what folks think. It's okay.
Esperientziak barne hartzen zuen
Strong emotional tone
Zer beste emozio sentitu zenituen esperientzian zehar?
First, fear. I was dead, and if you could die twice seeing my body on the bed would have scared me to death again! Then, immediately thereafter, I was able to reason that I was really okay, because I could think and see things. Then I was very joyful. In the sea of light, it was wonderful, joyful, and peaceful. I should not have left.
Bake edo atsegintasun sentsaziorik izan al zenuen?
Incredible peace or pleasantness
Poz sentsaziorik izan al zenuen?
incredible joy
Unibertsoarekin harmonia edo batasun sentsazio bat sentitu al zenuen?
I felt no longer in conflict with nature
Bat-batean dena ulertzen zenuela iruditu al zitzaizun?
Everything about myself or others I would not say I understood everything!! It is different from that. It's like you see things as they really are, or understand that you don't need to be concerned about the details, because it's all fine, it's all okay, you're home again.
Zure iraganeko eszenak itzuli al zaizkizu?
No
Etorkizuneko eszenak etorri al zitzaizkizun?
No
Muga edo itzulerarik gabeko puntura iritsi al zara?
I came to a barrier that I was not permitted to cross; or was sent back against my will I did not think I was returning to life. I thought I'd just take a rest in my body, then go back to the sea of light. Now I have to die all over again to get back there.
Jainkoa, espiritualtasuna eta erlijioa
Zer garrantzi ematen zenion zure erlijio/bizitza espiritualari zure esperientziaren aurretik?
Slightly important to me
Zein zen zure erlijioa esperientzia izan aurretik?
Christian- Protestant I have been educated in Episcopal Church schools, and had at the time of the experience a great deal of religious instruction including daily chapel. I was not however a believer in any deep sense.
Aldatu al dira zure praktika erlijiosoak esperientzia izan zenuenetik?
Yes Well, not as a direct result, but over time I've had religious experiences that I finally integrated with the near death experience. I do not know, Why me? It is a great puzzle. I suppose some are chosen or something. I guess we'll find out later on.
Zer garrantzi ematen diozu zure erlijio/bizitza espiritualari zure esperientziaren ondoren?
Greatly important to me
Zein da zure erlijioa orain?
Christian- Protestant From the time of the experience to the present, a period of nearly half a century, I have been subjected to divine manifestations including outright miracles. God pestered me until I surrendered. I did not want to believe. I worked in a scientific department at a university. It was not at all convenient to be a Christian. Nevertheless, I was finally forced to it. I have no idea why. It is all very strange and mysterious to me. I was not looking for this transcendent divine love: it knocked me repeatedly in the head until I accepted its reality.
Zure esperientziak zure lurreko sinesmenekin bat zetozen ezaugarriak barne hartu zituen?
Content that was both consistent and not consistent with the beliefs you had at the time of your experience I was not understanding about what love means. It is not something you earn by being a good person.
Aldaketarik izan al duzu zure balioetan eta sinesmenetan zure esperientziaren ondorioz?
Yes Be good. Do the right thing. Read scripture. Pray for help, understanding, and forgiveness. Keep trying. Try to do better. Do not be afraid. It's all okay!
Izaki edo presentzia mistiko bat topatu al zenuen, edo ahots identifikagaitza entzun al zenuen?
No
Hildako edo izpiritu erlijiosorik ikusi al zenuen?
No
Erlijioetan izenez deskribatzen diren lurrean bizi izan ziren izakirik topatu edo jakin al duzu (adibidez: Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, etab.)?
No
Zure esperientzian zehar, informaziorik lortu al zenuen Jainkoaren existentziari buruz?
No
Zure esperientzian zehar, informaziorik lortu al zenuen konexio unibertsalari edo batasunari buruz?
No
Jainkoaren existentzian sinesten al zenuen zure esperientziaren aurretik?
God probably exists┬
Zure esperientzian zehar, informaziorik lortu al zenuen Jainkoaren existentziari buruz?
Uncertain During the time of the experience I was mostly amused that the idea of hell with fire etc and heaven with pearly gates was wrong, that you just float off peacefully. I did not at that time understand that the peace and joy and love actually = God. That came much later.
Jainkoaren existentzian sinesten al duzu zure esperientziaren ondoren?
God definitely exists
Gure Lurreko bizitzari buruz, erlijioaz gain
Zure esperientzian zehar, ezagutza edo informazio berezirik lortu al zenuen zure helburuari buruz?
Yes Well, I know something of great value, that most people do not know, for which I am eternally grateful. How can I tell you? It is so simple, but folks hear it and ignore it. Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself, and don't do to others that which you hate, and trust in God, and do not be afraid. Do your best, do the right thing. It's all okay.
Zure esperientzian zehar, bizitzaren esanahiaren inguruko informaziorik lortu al zenuen?
No
Sinesten al zenuen heriotzaren ondorengo bizitzan zure esperientziaren aurretik?
An afterlife probably does not exist
Sinesten al duzu heriotzaren ondorengo bizitzan zure esperientziaren ondoren?
An afterlife definitely exists Oh yes, consciousness and personality continues after bodily death. To that extent there is no death really. The body dies. You do not die. You are not equal to your body. Mind is not the same thing as brain.
Heriotzari beldur al zenioten zure esperientziaren aurretik?
I moderately feared death
Heriotzari beldur al diozu zure esperientziaren ondoren?
I do not fear death
Beldurti zinen zure bizitza bizitzen zure esperientziaren aurretik?
Slightly fearful in living my earthly life
Beldurti zinen zure bizitza bizitzen zure esperientziaren ondoren?
Not fearful in living my earthly life
Uste al zenuen gure lurreko bizitzak esanguratsuak eta esanguratsuak zirela zure esperientziaren aurretik?
Are possibly meaningful and significant
Uste al zenuen gure lurreko bizitzak esanguratsuak eta esanguratsuak direla zure esperientziaren ondoren?
Are meaningful and significant
Informaziorik lortu al duzu gure bizitza nola bizi buruz?
Yes Don't be afraid. Death is nothing to fear. It is quite okay. You do your best in your life and the rest takes care of itself.
Zure esperientzian zehar, bizitzako zailtasunei, erronkei eta zailtasunei buruzko informaziorik lortu al zenuen?
No
Errukitsua al zinen zure esperientziaren aurretik?
Moderately compassionate toward others
Zure esperientzian zehar, maitasunari buruzko informaziorik lortu al zenuen?
Yes Love is limitless and a quite real thing, like air or water. We do not feel this when in the body.
Errukitsua al zara zure esperientziaren ondoren?
Greatly compassionate toward others
Zer bizitza aldaketa gertatu ziren zure bizitzan zure esperientziaren ondoren?
Large changes in my life I do not know why, but my life from that time to now has consistently had strange interventions. Any way I put this will sound absurd. My life has been blessed with lots of silly little miracles. God is a great joker in my case. He always reminds me that he's with me. The Almighty has a sense of humor. I always try to rationalize what happens but really, I've given up. God acts in the everyday world. That is the miracle of God. The miracle is all around us, and we do not see it.
Zure harremanak aldatu al dira zehazki zure esperientziaren ondorioz?
Uncertain I can't really say.
Heriotzatik Hurbileko Esperientziaren Ondoren
Zaila izan al zen esperientzia hitzez adieraztea?
No It was not especially difficult except it was unlike anything else and so when I describe it, it sounds a bit silly, like something made up. So for many years I told nobody about it, because I thought they'd think I was nuts or lying.
Zein zehaztasunez oroitzen duzu esperientzia, esperientziaren garaian gertatu ziren beste bizitza-gertaerekin alderatuta?
I remember the experience more accurately than other life events that occurred around the time of the experience I remember exactly. It is as vivid now as 46 years ago.
Ba al duzu zure esperientziaren ondoren, aurretik ez zenituen dohain psikiko, ez-arrunt edo bestelakorik?
No
Ba al daude zure esperientziaren zati batzuk bereziki esanguratsuak edo garrantzitsuak direnak zuretzat? Mesedez, azaldu.
The sea of light. I should have stayed!
Inoiz partekatu al duzu esperientzia hau besteekin?
Yes Oh years and years went by! I'd say thirty years. Finally I heard of these near death experiences, and I said ‘Oh yes, that's like what happened to me.’ I don't think people are much influenced by hearing the experiences of others. If it had not happened to me I would not believe it myself.
Heriotza-esperientziari (HEE) buruzko ezagutzarik bazenuen zure esperientzia baino lehen?
No
Zer uste zenuen zure esperientziaren errealitateari buruz gertatu eta gutxira (egun batzuetatik aste batzuetara)?
Experience was definitely real. It was real. It really happened. There was never the slightest doubt of that.
Zer uste duzu orain zure esperientziaren errealitateari buruz?
Experience was definitely real. Well, it was more real than anything in my life. I could sooner believe my whole life is a dream. The experience was just very, very real.
Zure bizitzako edozein unetan, ezerk erreproduzitu al du inoiz esperientziaren zatirik?
No I've had very many drug trips and similar things, but nothing is even remotely like the near death experience. On some drugs you do feel the oneness though. That is similar.
Ba al dago zure esperientziari buruz gehitu nahiko zenukeen beste ezer?
I am so grateful to have been chosen to have this experience.