Robert B
NDE
Greyson Eskala: 23
#2379
- HerrialdeaUnited States
- GeneroaM
- AdinaOlder Child
- Esperientzia data3/31/1957
- Bidalitako data12/4/2005
Esperientziak barne hartzen zuen
Denborak esanahia galdu zuenBeren iragana ikustea (Bizitzaren Berrikuspena)Etorkizuna ikustenLurrez kanpoko argi distiratsu bat ikusiAhalmen psikikoak garatuUnibertsoari buruzko guztia ulertuGKE, Gorputzetik kanpoko esperientziaUnibertsoarekin bat sentitzeaSegur aski heriotze klinikoa izan zuenOBE, Observed concurrent events away from bodyMundu espirituala errealitate fisikoa baino errealagoa daEtxera itzuli direla sentitu duteBeste norbaitekin GKE behaketak berretsi dituFisika kuantikoaren propietateei buruz ikasi zuenFisika kuantikoari buruz ikasitako xehetasunak gogoratzen dituDenbora ilusio bat da eta ez da existitzen mundu espiritualeanBizitzara itzultzea erabaki zuen
Esperientziaren Deskribapena
It began on a drizzly Sunday morning on March 31, 1957. While attempting to hoist a number of aluminum sections into the air for a short-wave antenna, it came in contact with the very top 8,200 volt line. My brother released before I did but still he received burns on both his hands. I held on for the entire duration and came to observe my crumpled body still holding onto the pole. I could smell my burning flesh mixed with ozone and steam coming from this body on the ground I was rapidly losing interest in. I held until it burned through the entire thick power line.
I experienced initial pain, feeling of being skinned alive, reversed, extreme calm, peace, and many of the classic NDE elements. What others call a tunnel I have concluded is absence to such a degree the mind gives it texture. I saw the Light approach; the light enveloped me. An entity that was to prepare me for what I call my Interview with a supreme being later in the Light. This first being appeared to be the Virgin Mary. Only after asking, 'Are you truly the Virgin Mary?' did it instantly manifested its true identity. I was nearly paralyzed with fear until again asking, 'Please, what is happening to me what is going on here?' From that point, all flowed out. Humor functioning far beyond its role here, sights and images coming together with reciprocals to produce physical music. There is no time. Time is a parochial concept for humans existing in truncated physics. To behold the whole of it, you see 'physical music'.
I beheld both my mother screaming over my dead body and my father across town at the same time. I was everywhere dead and nowhere alive. What I want to stress, if you're not an active participant in this event, you will get off lightly, convinced you have seen God, an angel or a departed family member. Nice enough in itself. A joy to take with you forever but very different from the impact of a full Interview and Exchange that must be initiated by you. You pay a heavy price. Not a single day goes by I do not think of my decision to return for my mother. Not a day passes when I am not mourning and yearning to go home again.
There are bits of impossible physics surrounding my story. According to attending doctors, it is impossible my shoes were blown sixty feet away from my body or these circular scars came from 8,200 volts. The most interesting was an eye-witness account that during my electrocution I was surrounded in a blue light that did not terminate with the antenna at the pole but extended beyond, up into the low scudding clouds passing over at the time. Any check into the local newspaper files for March 31, 1957 you will find a story of two brothers putting up an antenna, my electrocution, and a strange very widespread outage of power throughout the city that Sunday morning.
I experienced initial pain, feeling of being skinned alive, reversed, extreme calm, peace, and many of the classic NDE elements. What others call a tunnel I have concluded is absence to such a degree the mind gives it texture. I saw the Light approach; the light enveloped me. An entity that was to prepare me for what I call my Interview with a supreme being later in the Light. This first being appeared to be the Virgin Mary. Only after asking, 'Are you truly the Virgin Mary?' did it instantly manifested its true identity. I was nearly paralyzed with fear until again asking, 'Please, what is happening to me what is going on here?' From that point, all flowed out. Humor functioning far beyond its role here, sights and images coming together with reciprocals to produce physical music. There is no time. Time is a parochial concept for humans existing in truncated physics. To behold the whole of it, you see 'physical music'.
I beheld both my mother screaming over my dead body and my father across town at the same time. I was everywhere dead and nowhere alive. What I want to stress, if you're not an active participant in this event, you will get off lightly, convinced you have seen God, an angel or a departed family member. Nice enough in itself. A joy to take with you forever but very different from the impact of a full Interview and Exchange that must be initiated by you. You pay a heavy price. Not a single day goes by I do not think of my decision to return for my mother. Not a day passes when I am not mourning and yearning to go home again.
There are bits of impossible physics surrounding my story. According to attending doctors, it is impossible my shoes were blown sixty feet away from my body or these circular scars came from 8,200 volts. The most interesting was an eye-witness account that during my electrocution I was surrounded in a blue light that did not terminate with the antenna at the pole but extended beyond, up into the low scudding clouds passing over at the time. Any check into the local newspaper files for March 31, 1957 you will find a story of two brothers putting up an antenna, my electrocution, and a strange very widespread outage of power throughout the city that Sunday morning.
Aurrekarien informazioa
Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
March 31, 1957
Heriotzatik Hurbileko Esperientzien Elementuak
Zure esperientziaren unean, ba al zegoen bizitza arriskuan jartzen zuen gertakari bat?
Yes Accident Electrocuted by top high power lines that go to the transformer before reduction. Clinical death (cessation of breathing or heart function or brain function)
I was electrocuted. All flesh on my feet burned away. There were six holes to my bones in both legs, blood exiting eyes, nose, and ears. Blood squeezed out capillaries in my chest. To this day, I still have clear circular exit hole scars on my legs. At the time, the holes were cauterized by heat and you could see to the bone. Later was shown documentation by 'experts' saying these holes could not have been produced by electricity. They also say that shoes cannot be blown sixty feet away from the person.
Nola hartzen duzu zure esperientziaren edukia?
Wonderful
Zure gorputzetik bereizita sentitu al zara?
Yes
I clearly left my body and existed outside it
Nola alderatzen da esperientzian zehar kontzientzia eta erne maila gorena zure eguneroko kontzientzia eta erne mailarekin?
More consciousness and alertness than normal Duluth airport, middle of winter with a raging northern, temperatures at minus twenty-five and winds howling. On a juniper branch, a nearly dead chrysalis is encased in a lifeless motionless shroud clinging to a limb. That is human existence. That dead lifeless creature is 'Normal every day consciousness and alertness' compared to NDE.
Esperientziako zein unetan egon zinen zure kontzientzia eta erne maila gorenean?
While surely dead on the ground smoking from the pressure of the electricity still surging thorough my body, but elsewhere involved with the Supreme Being, the Interview, the Transfer, and then the terrible choice to stay or return. Seeing my mother wailing and praying I chose to return for her. The highest consciousness was prior to the wrap up of the Exchange and preparing to return.
Zure pentsamenduak azkartu egin al ziren?
Incredibly fast
Denbora bizkortu edo moteldu egin zela iruditu al zitzaizun?
Everything seemed to be happening all at once
Question 25 is impossible for an NDE. This is the unnatural, near death, darkened and altered world. This world here. Where I was is the bright, unaltered, non-truncated and free awareness. Physics is complete. Here it is educated guesses and nested errors. So no, no 'seeming to enter' but definitely breathing and being filled with all space, time, and physics that is. Not the tiny slit of local perceptions here.
Zure zentzumenak ohikoa baino biziagoak al ziren?
Incredibly more so
Konparatu mesedez esperientzian zehar izan zenuen ikusmena esperientzia izan baino lehen egunerokoan zenuenarekin
When you spot the pretty lady going to her car, you are not looking through a pane of office glass but living through twelve dimensions as distinct as the two worlds on each side of the office glass. The awareness of the role of these dimensions will someday show how we presently live in a world of created nested-errors.
Konparatu mesedez esperientzian zehar izan zenuen entzumena esperientzia izan baino lehen egunerokoan zenuenarekin
No such thing as hearing. Speech an overlaid function and hearing purely a human function. Meaningless.
Badirudi beste leku batzuetan gertatzen ari ziren gauzak ezagutzen zenituela?
Yes, and the facts have been checked out
Tunel batean sartu al zinen?
Uncertain As mentioned earlier I have come to believing the mind cannot stand absence to this degree and the mind gives texture to it, therefore a tunnel. I suspect if you asked NDErs was it a tunnel or absence to such a degree you could touch it they would go with the latter. No. No tunnel but the greatest absence the mind will ever know.
Ikusirik izan al duzu izakirik zure esperientzian?
Saw them
Hildako (edo bizirik) izakiekin topo egin al zenuen edo horien berri izan al zenuen?
Yes Again, the first encounter was with what I was sure was the Virgin Mary of my Catholic upbringing. The most frightful part of the NDE are the moments I took initiative and asked questions. It took a lot of moving beyond the fear to be so bold but I asked, 'Are you really the Mother Mary?' Instantly I saw what I already sensed was happening here. Every molecule in my being suddenly seemed to leap with joy on the new knowledge and understanding. No, it was not the Virgin Mary. You are approaching home. The need to have it be the Mother Mary fades.
Ikusgarri bat ikusi al zenuen, edo argi distiratsu batez inguratuta sentitu al zinen?
A light clearly of mystical or other-worldly origin
Argirik gabeko argirik ikusi al zenuen?
Yes It began as a small dot. I had no reference point on whether it was approaching me or if I was moving toward it. It enveloped me. It is Light, It is alive, and it is brilliant beyond any description. So alive, so totally home and complete love.
No human unprepared could encounter this and live. Unprepared, you die, without question.
Beste mundu ez-lurtar batean sartu zarela zirudien?
Neither Absolutely, very certainly there were many levels of increased consciousness and awareness. Each an awakening and sharpening. Just as you begin to be filled with the joy of waking and experiencing color, light, new physics, new compliments, symmetry, you are rushed forward to another greater awakening, no time to stop, touch or dwell on the things before you. Geometry applies here.
Zer beste emozio sentitu zenituen esperientzian zehar?
The thirteen year old boy below me on the ground came to have no more significance than adjacent fence work or stones. At this point something magnificent is clearly approaching and preempting any temporal values.
Bake edo atsegintasun sentsaziorik izan al zenuen?
Incredible peace or pleasantness
Poz sentsaziorik izan al zenuen?
Incredible joy
Unibertsoarekin harmonia edo batasun sentsazio bat sentitu al zenuen?
United, one with the world
Bat-batean dena ulertzen zenuela iruditu al zitzaizun?
Everything about the universe
Zure iraganeko eszenak itzuli al zaizkizu?
Past flashed before me, out of my control As with my initial vision of the Virgin Mary, I have the belief similar visions of angels, or departed family members are buffers against the reality of what the mind is experiencing. Depending on the country or region, these buffers are predictable. Most accept them without question.
Etorkizuneko eszenak etorri al zitzaizkizun?
From the world's future
Accurate.
Muga edo itzulerarik gabeko puntura iritsi al zara?
A conscious decision to 'return' to life
Jainkoa, espiritualtasuna eta erlijioa
Zein zen zure erlijioa esperientzia izan aurretik?
Conservative/fundamentalist Devout Catholic and altar boy
Aldatu al dira zure praktika erlijiosoak esperientzia izan zenuenetik?
Yes Profoundly so. That Sunday I was electrocuted, I was a devout Catholic and altar boy that looked forward to serving Mass. Immediately after my accident and NDE a profound sense of shame that man could be so arrogant with his creation of religion. So sad and silly.
Zein da zure erlijioa orain?
Moderate From the accident onward, spiritual and unable to see value in religious custom or dogma. Completely meaningless relative to the NDE experience. More a moderate conservative.
Aldaketarik izan al duzu zure balioetan eta sinesmenetan zure esperientziaren ondorioz?
Yes Profoundly so. That Sunday I was electrocuted, I was a devout Catholic and altar boy that looked forward to serving Mass. Immediately after my accident and NDE a profound sense of shame that man could be so arrogant with his creation of religion. So sad and silly.
Izaki edo presentzia mistiko bat topatu al zenuen, edo ahots identifikagaitza entzun al zenuen?
Definite being, or voice clearly of mystical or other-worldly origin
Hildako edo izpiritu erlijiosorik ikusi al zenuen?
Saw them
Gure Lurreko bizitzari buruz, erlijioaz gain
Zure esperientzian zehar, ezagutza edo informazio berezirik lortu al zenuen zure helburuari buruz?
Yes Question 27. Again, no 'seem.' There is no time to speed up. All is.
Question 28. At the Transfer within the Interview. There is no library or database to hold it. There is no vocabulary or references for it. It resides just below every conscious moment.
Zure harremanak aldatu al dira zehazki zure esperientziaren ondorioz?
No But the fundamental grasp of the nature of things, like understanding religion and science have the same pedigree, yes, but personal relationships, few know of my NDE.
Heriotzatik Hurbileko Esperientziaren Ondoren
Zaila izan al zen esperientzia hitzez adieraztea?
Yes Sights, objects, reciprocals of known physics, for which I have no vocabulary.
Ba al duzu zure esperientziaren ondoren, aurretik ez zenituen dohain psikiko, ez-arrunt edo bestelakorik?
Yes The ability to focus on essence on a molecular and sub level. This has occurred at various times and years beyond the electrocution and without any known set of criteria.
Ba al daude zure esperientziaren zati batzuk bereziki esanguratsuak edo garrantzitsuak direnak zuretzat? Mesedez, azaldu.
The Interview and The Exchange. No vocabulary. Not even a starting point do I have for this glorious event.
Physically the greatest pain was when they pulled the remainder of my socks off my feet. While waiting for the ambulance. I was on a neighbor's sofa and a lady ran in saying take his shoes and socks off. My shoes were already blown off. She reached under the blanket and pulled the bottoms of my feet off and when seeing the burnt flesh, she threw up. My tongue would not permit me to shout or talk but I knew I was back.
Inoiz partekatu al duzu esperientzia hau besteekin?
Yes Twenty-five years passed before I shared my experience. The only exception I asked my mother to describe her location and actions during my electrocution. She described precisely what I saw while down and apparently unconscious on the ground many yards from the house. The very small handful (count on one hand) of people I have shared the most detail with have been very moved.
Heriotza-esperientziari (HEE) buruzko ezagutzarik bazenuen zure esperientzia baino lehen?
No At thirteen years of age, it was school, serving Mass as an altar boy, discovering girls, and the very first signs of Rock N' Roll.
Zer uste zenuen zure esperientziaren errealitateari buruz gertatu eta gutxira (egun batzuetatik aste batzuetara)?
Experience was definitely real Look around you. You live in a world right now that goes beyond cultural differences. We now move with people in realities outside our own. The experience was real but I recognize an electrical explosion in my temporal lobe can produce its own reality. Do I subscribe to NDE being this? Absolutely not.
Zer uste duzu orain zure esperientziaren errealitateari buruz?
Experience was definitely real Not a single bit of information as left my memory. Questions 40 and 41 implies it fades. Not a single item.
Zure bizitzako edozein unetan, ezerk erreproduzitu al du inoiz esperientziaren zatirik?
No Nothing even close.
Ba al dago zure esperientziari buruz gehitu nahiko zenukeen beste ezer?
I have come to learn very few NDEs have had the strength and courage to be active during the experience, to ask, and as a result of this strength, to be taken into The Exchange. 99.9% of what would follow here is of no human value or meaning. It is also the essence of most of my joy.
Ba al dago zure esperientzia komunikatzen laguntzeko egin genezakeen beste galderarik?
I would create some questions that address the memory of outbound versus complete loss of memory of inbound or the return part of the NDE. Also some questions that reveal how the NDE perceives the dual and complimenting roles of religion and science (two sides of one thing). Also invite discussions specific to matters and the role of things sub-atomic.
However, this is a very good questionnaire as is. Thank you!