George E
Probable NDE
Скала на Грејсон: 12
#20130, #6923
- ДржаваPuerto Rico
- ПолM
- ВозрастCollege Age
- Датум на искуството1/1/1967
- Датум на поднесување9/27/2013
Искуството вклучуваше
Гледање на нивното минато (Преглед на животот)Гледање светла неземна светлинаРазбирање на сè за универзумотВДИ, Вонтелесно искуствоДуховниот свет е пореален од физичката реалностЧувствувале како да се вратиле домаУниверзумот е составен само од љубов и светлинаГо спореди искуството со психоделициОдлучил да се врати во животот
Опис на искуството
9/7/2014
I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis, and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was losing water at this fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but I ate nothing. Oh man, I was SICK! I was getting weaker and weaker.
On the eighth day of this misery, I seemed to float right up out of my body. So I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed still as a corpse, and I said ‘Oh (beep)! I've died!!’ I was unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’ So then, I felt calm and very good, thinking ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog, this is quite okay.’ So I'm floating in the room, right? And it is daytime. Outside there was a church and the bells started ringing. This was normal. I had a strong urge to go check it out so I floated out of the window. Outside it was blindingly bright. Whoa! It was SO BRIGHT. In a word, it was hard to see. Don't ask see with what, because I don't have a clue, my eyes being back in my body. But I could see the church steeple, and made a circuit of it. At this point I'm feeling very exhilarated. I'm flying around free of my body! And two things really hit me at that moment: first, the body isn't ME, it's just a body; and second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, we all just float off peacefully, because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know. At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body, and I went back inside, and sort of lay down in my body. And I slept. And the next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering.
Now-- Because of this experience, I came to think at the time that the spirit endures, and we go off peacefully. This idea I have entertained ever since to a degree, but I rather think now that it was merely a biochemical sort of effect, not anything 'real' in the sense of supernatural. I accept the idea it could be a hallucination of some sort, but it seemed very genuine at the time. So on the real significance of out of body experiences, I just don't know. But I've not feared death per se during my life for which I am very grateful.
I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis, and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was losing water at this fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but I ate nothing. Oh man, I was SICK! I was getting weaker and weaker.
On the eighth day of this misery, I seemed to float right up out of my body. So I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed still as a corpse, and I said ‘Oh (beep)! I've died!!’ I was unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’ So then, I felt calm and very good, thinking ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog, this is quite okay.’ So I'm floating in the room, right? And it is daytime. Outside there was a church and the bells started ringing. This was normal. I had a strong urge to go check it out so I floated out of the window. Outside it was blindingly bright. Whoa! It was SO BRIGHT. In a word, it was hard to see. Don't ask see with what, because I don't have a clue, my eyes being back in my body. But I could see the church steeple, and made a circuit of it. At this point I'm feeling very exhilarated. I'm flying around free of my body! And two things really hit me at that moment: first, the body isn't ME, it's just a body; and second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, we all just float off peacefully, because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know. At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body, and I went back inside, and sort of lay down in my body. And I slept. And the next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering.
Now-- Because of this experience, I came to think at the time that the spirit endures, and we go off peacefully. This idea I have entertained ever since to a degree, but I rather think now that it was merely a biochemical sort of effect, not anything 'real' in the sense of supernatural. I accept the idea it could be a hallucination of some sort, but it seemed very genuine at the time. So on the real significance of out of body experiences, I just don't know. But I've not feared death per se during my life for which I am very grateful.
Основни информации
Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
August 1967
NDE Елементи
Во времето на вашето искуство, дали имаше поврзан настан опасен по живот?
Uncertain Illness 'Illness, trauma or other condition not considered life threatening' I was very sick. Life threatening? Probably not.
Како ја оценувате содржината на вашето искуство?
Positive
Искуството вклучуваше
Out of body experience
Дали се чувствувавте одвоено од вашето тело?
Yes Totally disembodied. I saw my body on the bed.
Во кое време за време на искуството бевте на највисоко ниво на свест и будност?
I seemed perfectly alert.
Дали времето изгледаше како да се забрзува или забавува?
No
Дали вашиот слух се разликуваше на кој било начин од нормалниот?
Church bells.
Дали поминавте во или низ тунел?
No
Искуството вклучуваше
Light
Дали видовте неземна светлина?
Yes It was very bright. Blindingly bright actually, like being surrounded by very bright sunlight.
Дали се чинеше дека сте влегле во некој друг, неземен свет?
A clearly mystical or unearthly realm Well, everything seemed normal. I could hear and see. I can't say there was any sensation of feeling. In fact, I guess I'd say there was not any sensation of feeling or touch. But it wasn't like numbness.
Какви други емоции почувствувавте за време на искуството?
Initially, anxiety. Afterwards, exhilaration and a sort of curiosity.
Дали одеднаш се чинеше дека разбирате сè?
Everything about the universe I concluded during the experience that it was a great joke on Christianity, that heaven and hell were obviously false and unreal, and this amused me and pleased me, that these people were so wrong and foolish. I was giddy with the knowledge that death was so easy and pleasant. That's how I was feeling at that time, that it was just a matter of floating away.
Дали сцени од вашето минато ви се вратија?
My past flashed before me, out of my control I went out the window, and flew around. It was very pleasant.
Дали ви се појавија сцени од иднината?
No
Дали стигнавте до граница или точка од која нема враќање?
I came to a barrier that I was not permitted to cross; or was sent back against my will Yes. I decided to go back to the body. I thought ‘Well, this is cool, but enough is enough, I'll just go lie back in the body, and if I'm dead well no problem, and if I'm not, that's fine too.’
Бог, духовност и религија
Дали имавте промена во вашите вредности и верувања поради вашето искуство?
Yes I became a more confirmed atheist and infidel. Before, I was uncertain about the claims of religion, but afterwards I thought, ‘These guys are just like scam artists, they don't have a clue about any of it.’
Во врска со нашите земни животи освен религијата
После NDE
Дали искуството беше тешко да се изрази со зборови?
No
Дали имате некои психички, несекојдневни или други посебни дарови по вашето искуство што не сте ги имале пред искуството?
No
Дали има еден или неколку делови од вашето искуство кои се особено значајни или важни за вас? Ве молиме објаснете.
The best part was flying. There was no bad part, really.
Дали некогаш сте го споделиле ова искуство со други?
Yes I don't really emphasize the supposedly spiritual dimension, and I have not told very many people, but I've told a few that death is just nothing to fear. That we all will float off peacefully.
Дали има нешто друго што би сакале да додадете за вашето искуство?
I do not think, after years of reflection on it, that my experience is anything that would tend to prove that the spirit or soul or mind survives death. I thought at the time that this was what my experience demonstrated, but I now tend to think it was just some sort of biochemical thing. Either way, it’s no big deal really.
Дали поставените прашања и информациите што ги дадовте точно и сеопфатно го опишаа вашето искуство?
Uncertain
Опис на искуството 6923
9/29/2013
On the eighth day of my illness, I seemed to just float right up out of my body. I saw my body from above. I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed, still as a corpse, and I said, ‘Oh, sh#$! I've died!!’ I was basically unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself, ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’
So, then I felt calm and very good, thinking, ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog. This is quite okay.’
I'm floating in the room, now feeling elated, and I decided to float out the window. The windows in this rooming house where I lived were just a series of louvers. You could stick your hand right outside the building if you wanted to. I had a strong urge to go check out what was outside so I floated out of the window.
Outside it was blindingly bright, with the light everywhere, not coming from any particular source, but as if the light were a liquid and I was in a sea of light.
At this point, I'm feeling very exhilarated, completely euphoric. I'm moving around free of my body. And two things really hit me at that moment. First, the body isn't ME. It's just a body. Second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, in terms of the popular images of streets of gold and pearly gates versus the lake of fire and the eternal torment. We all just float off peacefully because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know.
At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body and I went back inside. I thought it was better not to just leave my body there, though it was purely joyful in the sea of light. I went back in the room and I sort of lay down in my body to rest. The next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering, and I was not dead. I had thought that after taking a little rest in the body, now that I knew that being dead was okay, I’d be able to go back to the sea of light. This was not to be, though. Not right then anyway.
On the eighth day of my illness, I seemed to just float right up out of my body. I saw my body from above. I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed, still as a corpse, and I said, ‘Oh, sh#$! I've died!!’ I was basically unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself, ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’
So, then I felt calm and very good, thinking, ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog. This is quite okay.’
I'm floating in the room, now feeling elated, and I decided to float out the window. The windows in this rooming house where I lived were just a series of louvers. You could stick your hand right outside the building if you wanted to. I had a strong urge to go check out what was outside so I floated out of the window.
Outside it was blindingly bright, with the light everywhere, not coming from any particular source, but as if the light were a liquid and I was in a sea of light.
At this point, I'm feeling very exhilarated, completely euphoric. I'm moving around free of my body. And two things really hit me at that moment. First, the body isn't ME. It's just a body. Second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, in terms of the popular images of streets of gold and pearly gates versus the lake of fire and the eternal torment. We all just float off peacefully because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know.
At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body and I went back inside. I thought it was better not to just leave my body there, though it was purely joyful in the sea of light. I went back in the room and I sort of lay down in my body to rest. The next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering, and I was not dead. I had thought that after taking a little rest in the body, now that I knew that being dead was okay, I’d be able to go back to the sea of light. This was not to be, though. Not right then anyway.
Основни информации
Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
Summer 1967
NDE Елементи
Во времето на вашето искуство, дали имаше поврзан настан опасен по живот?
Yes Illness Life threatening event, but not clinical death I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was extremely ill, suffering from painful cramps. I was losing water at a fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but basically I ate nothing. I was getting weaker and weaker.
Како ја оценувате содржината на вашето искуство?
Entirely pleasant
Искуството вклучуваше
Out of body experience
Дали се чувствувавте одвоено од вашето тело?
Yes I saw my body on the bed. That is not a moment I'll ever forget. I heard the bells of the church nearby.
Како се споредуваше вашето највисоко ниво на свест и будност за време на искуството со вашата нормална секојдневна свест и будност?
More consciousness and alertness than normal Well, it is hard to explain. It is as if you suddenly understand that the physical life of the body is just a part of the reality, and the life of the spirit is more real, as if the physical world is a stage set sort of--- it looks real enough but it is just appearances.
Во кое време за време на искуството бевте на највисоко ниво на свест и будност?
I would say in the sea of light part, it seemed hyper-real, extremely joyful and also peaceful.
Дали вашите мисли беа забрзани?
No
Дали времето изгледаше како да се забрзува или забавува?
No
Дали вашите сетила беа по живописни од вообичаено?
More vivid than usual
Дали вашиот вид се разликуваше на кој било начин од нормалниот?
You can't close your eyes because you do not have eyes. I recall being able to look in a particular direction though. Vision was very sharp. The incredibly bright light in the sea of light was not painful.
Дали вашиот слух се разликуваше на кој било начин од нормалниот?
I could hear. I heard church bells. There was a church nearby. Hearing seemed normal I should say.
Дали се чинеше дека сте свесни за работите што се случуваат на друго место?
No
Дали поминавте во или низ тунел?
Uncertain It was not a tunnel, it was a sea of light. The light was everywhere but with no source.
Дали видовте суштества во вашето искуство?
No
Дали сретнавте или станавте свесни за какви било починати (или живи) суштества?
No
Искуството вклучуваше
Unearthly light
Дали видовте или се почувствувавте опкружени со брилијантна светлина?
An unusually bright light
Дали видовте неземна светлина?
Yes If you just imagine being deep in the ocean and every molecule of water is radiating light that will give you an idea of what it was like.
Дали се чинеше дека сте влегле во некој друг, неземен свет?
Some unfamiliar and strange place It was sure not anyplace earthly. Though I did not sense other beings, it still was not a lonely place. It was strange, but also like home. So you feel, oh good, I'm home, everything is okay. Death is not what folks think. It's okay.
Искуството вклучуваше
Strong emotional tone
Какви други емоции почувствувавте за време на искуството?
First, fear. I was dead, and if you could die twice seeing my body on the bed would have scared me to death again! Then, immediately thereafter, I was able to reason that I was really okay, because I could think and see things. Then I was very joyful. In the sea of light, it was wonderful, joyful, and peaceful. I should not have left.
Дали имавте чувство на мир или пријатност?
Incredible peace or pleasantness
Дали имавте чувство на радост?
incredible joy
Дали почувствувавте чувство на хармонија или единство со универзумот?
I felt no longer in conflict with nature
Дали одеднаш се чинеше дека разбирате сè?
Everything about myself or others I would not say I understood everything!! It is different from that. It's like you see things as they really are, or understand that you don't need to be concerned about the details, because it's all fine, it's all okay, you're home again.
Дали сцени од вашето минато ви се вратија?
No
Дали ви се појавија сцени од иднината?
No
Дали стигнавте до граница или точка од која нема враќање?
I came to a barrier that I was not permitted to cross; or was sent back against my will I did not think I was returning to life. I thought I'd just take a rest in my body, then go back to the sea of light. Now I have to die all over again to get back there.
Бог, духовност и религија
Какво значење му придавате на вашиот религиозен/духовен живот пред вашето искуство?
Slightly important to me
Која беше вашата религија пред вашето искуство?
Christian- Protestant I have been educated in Episcopal Church schools, and had at the time of the experience a great deal of religious instruction including daily chapel. I was not however a believer in any deep sense.
Дали вашите религиозни практики се променија од вашето искуство?
Yes Well, not as a direct result, but over time I've had religious experiences that I finally integrated with the near death experience. I do not know, Why me? It is a great puzzle. I suppose some are chosen or something. I guess we'll find out later on.
Какво значење му придавате на вашиот религиозен/духовен живот по вашето искуство?
Greatly important to me
Која е вашата религија сега?
Christian- Protestant From the time of the experience to the present, a period of nearly half a century, I have been subjected to divine manifestations including outright miracles. God pestered me until I surrendered. I did not want to believe. I worked in a scientific department at a university. It was not at all convenient to be a Christian. Nevertheless, I was finally forced to it. I have no idea why. It is all very strange and mysterious to me. I was not looking for this transcendent divine love: it knocked me repeatedly in the head until I accepted its reality.
Дали вашето искуство вклучуваше карактеристики што се во согласност со вашите земни верувања?
Content that was both consistent and not consistent with the beliefs you had at the time of your experience I was not understanding about what love means. It is not something you earn by being a good person.
Дали имавте промена во вашите вредности и верувања поради вашето искуство?
Yes Be good. Do the right thing. Read scripture. Pray for help, understanding, and forgiveness. Keep trying. Try to do better. Do not be afraid. It's all okay!
Дали се чинеше дека сте сретнале мистично суштество или присуство, или сте слушнале неидентификуван глас?
No
Дали видовте починати или религиозни духови?
No
Дали сте сретнале или станавте свесни за какви било суштества кои претходно живееле на земјата кои се опишани по име во религиите (на пример: Исус, Мухамед, Буда, итн.)?
No
За време на вашето искуство, дали добивте информации за постоењето на Бог?
No
За време на вашето искуство, дали добивте информации за универзалната поврзаност или единство?
No
Дали верувавте во постоењето на Бог пред вашето искуство?
God probably exists┬
За време на вашето искуство, дали добивте информации за постоењето на Бог?
Uncertain During the time of the experience I was mostly amused that the idea of hell with fire etc and heaven with pearly gates was wrong, that you just float off peacefully. I did not at that time understand that the peace and joy and love actually = God. That came much later.
Дали верувате во постоењето на Бог по вашето искуство?
God definitely exists
Во врска со нашите земни животи освен религијата
За време на вашето искуство, дали добивте посебно знаење или информации за вашата цел?
Yes Well, I know something of great value, that most people do not know, for which I am eternally grateful. How can I tell you? It is so simple, but folks hear it and ignore it. Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself, and don't do to others that which you hate, and trust in God, and do not be afraid. Do your best, do the right thing. It's all okay.
За време на вашето искуство, дали добивте информации за смислата на животот?
No
Дали верувавте во задгробен живот пред вашето искуство?
An afterlife probably does not exist
Дали верувате во задгробен живот по вашето искуство?
An afterlife definitely exists Oh yes, consciousness and personality continues after bodily death. To that extent there is no death really. The body dies. You do not die. You are not equal to your body. Mind is not the same thing as brain.
Дали се плашевте од смртта пред вашето искуство?
I moderately feared death
Дали се плашите од смртта по вашето искуство?
I do not fear death
Дали се плашевте додека го живеевте животот пред вашето искуство?
Slightly fearful in living my earthly life
Дали се плашевте додека го живеевте животот по вашето искуство?
Not fearful in living my earthly life
Дали верувавте дека нашите земни животи се значајни пред вашето искуство?
Are possibly meaningful and significant
Дали верувавте дека нашите земни животи се значајни по вашето искуство?
Are meaningful and significant
Дали добивте информации за тоа како да ги живееме нашите животи?
Yes Don't be afraid. Death is nothing to fear. It is quite okay. You do your best in your life and the rest takes care of itself.
За време на вашето искуство, дали добивте информации за животните тешкотии, предизвици и неволји?
No
Дали бевте сочувствителни пред вашето искуство?
Moderately compassionate toward others
За време на вашето искуство, дали добивте информации за љубовта?
Yes Love is limitless and a quite real thing, like air or water. We do not feel this when in the body.
Дали бевте сочувствителни по вашето искуство?
Greatly compassionate toward others
Какви животни промени се случија во вашиот живот по вашето искуство?
Large changes in my life I do not know why, but my life from that time to now has consistently had strange interventions. Any way I put this will sound absurd. My life has been blessed with lots of silly little miracles. God is a great joker in my case. He always reminds me that he's with me. The Almighty has a sense of humor. I always try to rationalize what happens but really, I've given up. God acts in the everyday world. That is the miracle of God. The miracle is all around us, and we do not see it.
Дали вашите односи се промениле конкретно како резултат на вашето искуство?
Uncertain I can't really say.
После NDE
Дали искуството беше тешко да се изрази со зборови?
No It was not especially difficult except it was unlike anything else and so when I describe it, it sounds a bit silly, like something made up. So for many years I told nobody about it, because I thought they'd think I was nuts or lying.
Колку прецизно се сеќавате на искуството во споредба со други животни настани што се случиле во периодот кога се случило искуството?
I remember the experience more accurately than other life events that occurred around the time of the experience I remember exactly. It is as vivid now as 46 years ago.
Дали имате некои психички, несекојдневни или други посебни дарови по вашето искуство што не сте ги имале пред искуството?
No
Дали има еден или неколку делови од вашето искуство кои се особено значајни или важни за вас? Ве молиме објаснете.
The sea of light. I should have stayed!
Дали некогаш сте го споделиле ова искуство со други?
Yes Oh years and years went by! I'd say thirty years. Finally I heard of these near death experiences, and I said ‘Oh yes, that's like what happened to me.’ I don't think people are much influenced by hearing the experiences of others. If it had not happened to me I would not believe it myself.
Дали имавте какво било знаење за искуства блиски до смртта (NDE) пред вашето искуство?
No
Во што верувавте за реалноста на вашето искуство набргу (денови до недели) откако се случи?
Experience was definitely real. It was real. It really happened. There was never the slightest doubt of that.
Што верувате за реалноста на вашето искуство сега?
Experience was definitely real. Well, it was more real than anything in my life. I could sooner believe my whole life is a dream. The experience was just very, very real.
Во било кое време од вашиот живот, дали нешто некогаш репродуцирало било кој дел од искуството?
No I've had very many drug trips and similar things, but nothing is even remotely like the near death experience. On some drugs you do feel the oneness though. That is similar.
Дали има нешто друго што би сакале да додадете за вашето искуство?
I am so grateful to have been chosen to have this experience.