George E
Probable NDE
Škála Greysona: 12
#20130, #6923
- KrajinaPuerto Rico
- PohlavieM
- VekCollege Age
- Dátum zážitku1/1/1967
- Dátum odoslania9/27/2013
Skúsenosť zahŕňala
Videnie ich minulosti (Prehľad života)Vidieť jasné nadpozemské svetloPochopiť všetko o vesmíreOBE, Zážitok mimo telaDuchovný svet je reálnejší než fyzická realitaMali pocit, že sa vrátili domovVesmír zložený iba z lásky a svetlaPorovnal zážitok s psychodelikamiRozhodli sa vrátiť späť do života
Popis skúsenosti
9/7/2014
I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis, and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was losing water at this fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but I ate nothing. Oh man, I was SICK! I was getting weaker and weaker.
On the eighth day of this misery, I seemed to float right up out of my body. So I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed still as a corpse, and I said ‘Oh (beep)! I've died!!’ I was unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’ So then, I felt calm and very good, thinking ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog, this is quite okay.’ So I'm floating in the room, right? And it is daytime. Outside there was a church and the bells started ringing. This was normal. I had a strong urge to go check it out so I floated out of the window. Outside it was blindingly bright. Whoa! It was SO BRIGHT. In a word, it was hard to see. Don't ask see with what, because I don't have a clue, my eyes being back in my body. But I could see the church steeple, and made a circuit of it. At this point I'm feeling very exhilarated. I'm flying around free of my body! And two things really hit me at that moment: first, the body isn't ME, it's just a body; and second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, we all just float off peacefully, because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know. At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body, and I went back inside, and sort of lay down in my body. And I slept. And the next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering.
Now-- Because of this experience, I came to think at the time that the spirit endures, and we go off peacefully. This idea I have entertained ever since to a degree, but I rather think now that it was merely a biochemical sort of effect, not anything 'real' in the sense of supernatural. I accept the idea it could be a hallucination of some sort, but it seemed very genuine at the time. So on the real significance of out of body experiences, I just don't know. But I've not feared death per se during my life for which I am very grateful.
I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis, and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was losing water at this fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but I ate nothing. Oh man, I was SICK! I was getting weaker and weaker.
On the eighth day of this misery, I seemed to float right up out of my body. So I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed still as a corpse, and I said ‘Oh (beep)! I've died!!’ I was unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’ So then, I felt calm and very good, thinking ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog, this is quite okay.’ So I'm floating in the room, right? And it is daytime. Outside there was a church and the bells started ringing. This was normal. I had a strong urge to go check it out so I floated out of the window. Outside it was blindingly bright. Whoa! It was SO BRIGHT. In a word, it was hard to see. Don't ask see with what, because I don't have a clue, my eyes being back in my body. But I could see the church steeple, and made a circuit of it. At this point I'm feeling very exhilarated. I'm flying around free of my body! And two things really hit me at that moment: first, the body isn't ME, it's just a body; and second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, we all just float off peacefully, because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know. At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body, and I went back inside, and sort of lay down in my body. And I slept. And the next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering.
Now-- Because of this experience, I came to think at the time that the spirit endures, and we go off peacefully. This idea I have entertained ever since to a degree, but I rather think now that it was merely a biochemical sort of effect, not anything 'real' in the sense of supernatural. I accept the idea it could be a hallucination of some sort, but it seemed very genuine at the time. So on the real significance of out of body experiences, I just don't know. But I've not feared death per se during my life for which I am very grateful.
Základné informácie
Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
August 1967
Prvky NDE
Bol v čase vášho zážitku prítomný život ohrozujúci stav?
Uncertain Illness 'Illness, trauma or other condition not considered life threatening' I was very sick. Life threatening? Probably not.
Ako hodnotíte obsah vášho zážitku?
Positive
Skúsenosť zahŕňala
Out of body experience
Cítili ste sa oddelení od svojho tela?
Yes Totally disembodied. I saw my body on the bed.
V ktorom čase počas zážitku ste boli na svojej najvyššej úrovni vedomia a bdelosti?
I seemed perfectly alert.
Zdalo sa, že sa čas zrýchlil alebo spomalil?
No
Líšil sa váš sluch nejakým spôsobom od normálu?
Church bells.
Prešli ste do alebo cez tunel?
No
Skúsenosť zahŕňala
Light
Videli ste nadpozemské svetlo?
Yes It was very bright. Blindingly bright actually, like being surrounded by very bright sunlight.
Zdalo sa vám, že ste vstúpili do nejakého iného, nadpozemského sveta?
A clearly mystical or unearthly realm Well, everything seemed normal. I could hear and see. I can't say there was any sensation of feeling. In fact, I guess I'd say there was not any sensation of feeling or touch. But it wasn't like numbness.
Aké ďalšie emócie ste cítili počas zážitku?
Initially, anxiety. Afterwards, exhilaration and a sort of curiosity.
Zdalo sa, že ste zrazu všetkému porozumeli?
Everything about the universe I concluded during the experience that it was a great joke on Christianity, that heaven and hell were obviously false and unreal, and this amused me and pleased me, that these people were so wrong and foolish. I was giddy with the knowledge that death was so easy and pleasant. That's how I was feeling at that time, that it was just a matter of floating away.
Vrátili sa vám scény z vašej minulosti?
My past flashed before me, out of my control I went out the window, and flew around. It was very pleasant.
Objavili sa vám scény z budúcnosti?
No
Prišli ste k hranici alebo bodu, odkiaľ niet návratu?
I came to a barrier that I was not permitted to cross; or was sent back against my will Yes. I decided to go back to the body. I thought ‘Well, this is cool, but enough is enough, I'll just go lie back in the body, and if I'm dead well no problem, and if I'm not, that's fine too.’
Boh, spiritualita a náboženstvo
Došlo u vás k zmene hodnôt a presvedčení v dôsledku vašej skúsenosti?
Yes I became a more confirmed atheist and infidel. Before, I was uncertain about the claims of religion, but afterwards I thought, ‘These guys are just like scam artists, they don't have a clue about any of it.’
Čo sa týka našich pozemských životov mimo náboženstva
Po NDE
Bolo ťažké vyjadriť túto skúsenosť slovami?
No
Máte po svojej skúsenosti nejaké psychické, neobyčajné alebo iné špeciálne dary, ktoré ste predtým nemali?
No
Sú nejaké časti vašej skúsenosti, ktoré sú pre vás obzvlášť zmysluplné alebo významné? Prosím, vysvetlite.
The best part was flying. There was no bad part, really.
Podelili ste sa už o túto skúsenosť s ostatnými?
Yes I don't really emphasize the supposedly spiritual dimension, and I have not told very many people, but I've told a few that death is just nothing to fear. That we all will float off peacefully.
Chceli by ste ešte niečo dodať o svojej skúsenosti?
I do not think, after years of reflection on it, that my experience is anything that would tend to prove that the spirit or soul or mind survives death. I thought at the time that this was what my experience demonstrated, but I now tend to think it was just some sort of biochemical thing. Either way, it’s no big deal really.
Opisovali položené otázky a informácie, ktoré ste poskytli, presne a komplexne vašu skúsenosť?
Uncertain
Popis skúsenosti 6923
9/29/2013
On the eighth day of my illness, I seemed to just float right up out of my body. I saw my body from above. I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed, still as a corpse, and I said, ‘Oh, sh#$! I've died!!’ I was basically unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself, ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’
So, then I felt calm and very good, thinking, ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog. This is quite okay.’
I'm floating in the room, now feeling elated, and I decided to float out the window. The windows in this rooming house where I lived were just a series of louvers. You could stick your hand right outside the building if you wanted to. I had a strong urge to go check out what was outside so I floated out of the window.
Outside it was blindingly bright, with the light everywhere, not coming from any particular source, but as if the light were a liquid and I was in a sea of light.
At this point, I'm feeling very exhilarated, completely euphoric. I'm moving around free of my body. And two things really hit me at that moment. First, the body isn't ME. It's just a body. Second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, in terms of the popular images of streets of gold and pearly gates versus the lake of fire and the eternal torment. We all just float off peacefully because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know.
At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body and I went back inside. I thought it was better not to just leave my body there, though it was purely joyful in the sea of light. I went back in the room and I sort of lay down in my body to rest. The next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering, and I was not dead. I had thought that after taking a little rest in the body, now that I knew that being dead was okay, I’d be able to go back to the sea of light. This was not to be, though. Not right then anyway.
On the eighth day of my illness, I seemed to just float right up out of my body. I saw my body from above. I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed, still as a corpse, and I said, ‘Oh, sh#$! I've died!!’ I was basically unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself, ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’
So, then I felt calm and very good, thinking, ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog. This is quite okay.’
I'm floating in the room, now feeling elated, and I decided to float out the window. The windows in this rooming house where I lived were just a series of louvers. You could stick your hand right outside the building if you wanted to. I had a strong urge to go check out what was outside so I floated out of the window.
Outside it was blindingly bright, with the light everywhere, not coming from any particular source, but as if the light were a liquid and I was in a sea of light.
At this point, I'm feeling very exhilarated, completely euphoric. I'm moving around free of my body. And two things really hit me at that moment. First, the body isn't ME. It's just a body. Second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, in terms of the popular images of streets of gold and pearly gates versus the lake of fire and the eternal torment. We all just float off peacefully because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know.
At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body and I went back inside. I thought it was better not to just leave my body there, though it was purely joyful in the sea of light. I went back in the room and I sort of lay down in my body to rest. The next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering, and I was not dead. I had thought that after taking a little rest in the body, now that I knew that being dead was okay, I’d be able to go back to the sea of light. This was not to be, though. Not right then anyway.
Základné informácie
Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
Summer 1967
Prvky NDE
Bol v čase vášho zážitku prítomný život ohrozujúci stav?
Yes Illness Life threatening event, but not clinical death I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was extremely ill, suffering from painful cramps. I was losing water at a fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but basically I ate nothing. I was getting weaker and weaker.
Ako hodnotíte obsah vášho zážitku?
Entirely pleasant
Skúsenosť zahŕňala
Out of body experience
Cítili ste sa oddelení od svojho tela?
Yes I saw my body on the bed. That is not a moment I'll ever forget. I heard the bells of the church nearby.
Ako sa vaša najvyššia úroveň vedomia a bdelosti počas zážitku porovnáva s vaším bežným každodenným vedomím a bdelosťou?
More consciousness and alertness than normal Well, it is hard to explain. It is as if you suddenly understand that the physical life of the body is just a part of the reality, and the life of the spirit is more real, as if the physical world is a stage set sort of--- it looks real enough but it is just appearances.
V ktorom čase počas zážitku ste boli na svojej najvyššej úrovni vedomia a bdelosti?
I would say in the sea of light part, it seemed hyper-real, extremely joyful and also peaceful.
Zrýchlili sa vaše myšlienky?
No
Zdalo sa, že sa čas zrýchlil alebo spomalil?
No
Boli vaše zmysly živšie ako zvyčajne?
More vivid than usual
Líšilo sa vaše videnie nejakým spôsobom od normálu?
You can't close your eyes because you do not have eyes. I recall being able to look in a particular direction though. Vision was very sharp. The incredibly bright light in the sea of light was not painful.
Líšil sa váš sluch nejakým spôsobom od normálu?
I could hear. I heard church bells. There was a church nearby. Hearing seemed normal I should say.
Zdalo sa vám, že si uvedomujete dianie inde?
No
Prešli ste do alebo cez tunel?
Uncertain It was not a tunnel, it was a sea of light. The light was everywhere but with no source.
Videli ste počas vášho zážitku nejaké bytosti?
No
Stretli ste sa alebo ste si uvedomili nejaké zosnulé (alebo živé) bytosti?
No
Skúsenosť zahŕňala
Unearthly light
Videli ste, alebo ste sa cítili obklopení, jasným svetlom?
An unusually bright light
Videli ste nadpozemské svetlo?
Yes If you just imagine being deep in the ocean and every molecule of water is radiating light that will give you an idea of what it was like.
Zdalo sa vám, že ste vstúpili do nejakého iného, nadpozemského sveta?
Some unfamiliar and strange place It was sure not anyplace earthly. Though I did not sense other beings, it still was not a lonely place. It was strange, but also like home. So you feel, oh good, I'm home, everything is okay. Death is not what folks think. It's okay.
Skúsenosť zahŕňala
Strong emotional tone
Aké ďalšie emócie ste cítili počas zážitku?
First, fear. I was dead, and if you could die twice seeing my body on the bed would have scared me to death again! Then, immediately thereafter, I was able to reason that I was really okay, because I could think and see things. Then I was very joyful. In the sea of light, it was wonderful, joyful, and peaceful. I should not have left.
Mali ste pocit pokoja alebo príjemnosti?
Incredible peace or pleasantness
Mali ste pocit radosti?
incredible joy
Cítili ste pocit harmónie alebo jednoty s vesmírom?
I felt no longer in conflict with nature
Zdalo sa, že ste zrazu všetkému porozumeli?
Everything about myself or others I would not say I understood everything!! It is different from that. It's like you see things as they really are, or understand that you don't need to be concerned about the details, because it's all fine, it's all okay, you're home again.
Vrátili sa vám scény z vašej minulosti?
No
Objavili sa vám scény z budúcnosti?
No
Prišli ste k hranici alebo bodu, odkiaľ niet návratu?
I came to a barrier that I was not permitted to cross; or was sent back against my will I did not think I was returning to life. I thought I'd just take a rest in my body, then go back to the sea of light. Now I have to die all over again to get back there.
Boh, spiritualita a náboženstvo
Aký význam ste prikladali svojmu náboženskému/duchovnému životu pred vašou skúsenosťou?
Slightly important to me
Aké bolo vaše náboženstvo pred vašou skúsenosťou?
Christian- Protestant I have been educated in Episcopal Church schools, and had at the time of the experience a great deal of religious instruction including daily chapel. I was not however a believer in any deep sense.
Zmenili sa vaše náboženské praktiky od vašej skúsenosti?
Yes Well, not as a direct result, but over time I've had religious experiences that I finally integrated with the near death experience. I do not know, Why me? It is a great puzzle. I suppose some are chosen or something. I guess we'll find out later on.
Aký význam prikladáte svojmu náboženskému/duchovnému životu po vašej skúsenosti?
Greatly important to me
Aké je vaše náboženstvo teraz?
Christian- Protestant From the time of the experience to the present, a period of nearly half a century, I have been subjected to divine manifestations including outright miracles. God pestered me until I surrendered. I did not want to believe. I worked in a scientific department at a university. It was not at all convenient to be a Christian. Nevertheless, I was finally forced to it. I have no idea why. It is all very strange and mysterious to me. I was not looking for this transcendent divine love: it knocked me repeatedly in the head until I accepted its reality.
Zahŕňala vaša skúsenosť prvky zhodné s vaším pozemským presvedčením?
Content that was both consistent and not consistent with the beliefs you had at the time of your experience I was not understanding about what love means. It is not something you earn by being a good person.
Došlo u vás k zmene hodnôt a presvedčení v dôsledku vašej skúsenosti?
Yes Be good. Do the right thing. Read scripture. Pray for help, understanding, and forgiveness. Keep trying. Try to do better. Do not be afraid. It's all okay!
Zdalo sa vám, že ste sa stretli s mystickou bytosťou alebo prítomnosťou, alebo ste počuli neidentifikovateľný hlas?
No
Videli ste zosnulých alebo náboženských duchov?
No
Stretli ste sa alebo ste si boli vedomí nejakých bytostí, ktoré predtým žili na zemi a ktoré sú menovite opísané v náboženstvách (napríklad: Ježiš, Mohamed, Budha atď.)?
No
Počas vašej skúsenosti ste získali informácie o existencii Boha?
No
Počas vašej skúsenosti ste získali informácie o univerzálnom prepojení alebo jednote?
No
Verili ste v existenciu Boha pred vašou skúsenosťou?
God probably exists┬
Počas vašej skúsenosti ste získali informácie o existencii Boha?
Uncertain During the time of the experience I was mostly amused that the idea of hell with fire etc and heaven with pearly gates was wrong, that you just float off peacefully. I did not at that time understand that the peace and joy and love actually = God. That came much later.
Veríte v existenciu Boha po vašej skúsenosti?
God definitely exists
Čo sa týka našich pozemských životov mimo náboženstva
Počas vašej skúsenosti ste získali špeciálne poznatky alebo informácie o svojom účele?
Yes Well, I know something of great value, that most people do not know, for which I am eternally grateful. How can I tell you? It is so simple, but folks hear it and ignore it. Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself, and don't do to others that which you hate, and trust in God, and do not be afraid. Do your best, do the right thing. It's all okay.
Počas vašej skúsenosti ste získali informácie o zmysle života?
No
Verili ste v posmrtný život pred vašou skúsenosťou?
An afterlife probably does not exist
Veríte v posmrtný život po vašej skúsenosti?
An afterlife definitely exists Oh yes, consciousness and personality continues after bodily death. To that extent there is no death really. The body dies. You do not die. You are not equal to your body. Mind is not the same thing as brain.
Báli ste sa smrti pred vašou skúsenosťou?
I moderately feared death
Bojíte sa smrti po vašej skúsenosti?
I do not fear death
Báli ste sa žiť svoj život pred vašou skúsenosťou?
Slightly fearful in living my earthly life
Báli ste sa žiť svoj život po vašej skúsenosti?
Not fearful in living my earthly life
Verili ste, že naše pozemské životy sú zmysluplné a významné pred vašou skúsenosťou?
Are possibly meaningful and significant
Verili ste, že naše pozemské životy sú zmysluplné a významné po vašej skúsenosti?
Are meaningful and significant
Získali ste informácie o tom, ako žiť naše životy?
Yes Don't be afraid. Death is nothing to fear. It is quite okay. You do your best in your life and the rest takes care of itself.
Počas vašej skúsenosti ste získali informácie o životných ťažkostiach, výzvach a útrapách?
No
Boli ste súcitní pred vašou skúsenosťou?
Moderately compassionate toward others
Počas vašej skúsenosti ste získali informácie o láske?
Yes Love is limitless and a quite real thing, like air or water. We do not feel this when in the body.
Boli ste súcitní po vašej skúsenosti?
Greatly compassionate toward others
Aké životné zmeny nastali vo vašom živote po vašej skúsenosti?
Large changes in my life I do not know why, but my life from that time to now has consistently had strange interventions. Any way I put this will sound absurd. My life has been blessed with lots of silly little miracles. God is a great joker in my case. He always reminds me that he's with me. The Almighty has a sense of humor. I always try to rationalize what happens but really, I've given up. God acts in the everyday world. That is the miracle of God. The miracle is all around us, and we do not see it.
Zmenili sa vaše vzťahy konkrétne v dôsledku vašej skúsenosti?
Uncertain I can't really say.
Po NDE
Bolo ťažké vyjadriť túto skúsenosť slovami?
No It was not especially difficult except it was unlike anything else and so when I describe it, it sounds a bit silly, like something made up. So for many years I told nobody about it, because I thought they'd think I was nuts or lying.
Ako presne si pamätáte skúsenosť v porovnaní s inými životnými udalosťami, ktoré sa stali v tom čase?
I remember the experience more accurately than other life events that occurred around the time of the experience I remember exactly. It is as vivid now as 46 years ago.
Máte po svojej skúsenosti nejaké psychické, neobyčajné alebo iné špeciálne dary, ktoré ste predtým nemali?
No
Sú nejaké časti vašej skúsenosti, ktoré sú pre vás obzvlášť zmysluplné alebo významné? Prosím, vysvetlite.
The sea of light. I should have stayed!
Podelili ste sa už o túto skúsenosť s ostatnými?
Yes Oh years and years went by! I'd say thirty years. Finally I heard of these near death experiences, and I said ‘Oh yes, that's like what happened to me.’ I don't think people are much influenced by hearing the experiences of others. If it had not happened to me I would not believe it myself.
Mali ste pred svojou skúsenosťou nejaké vedomosti o zážitkoch blízkych smrti (NDE)?
No
Čo ste si mysleli o realite vašej skúsenosti krátko (dni až týždne) po tom, čo sa stala?
Experience was definitely real. It was real. It really happened. There was never the slightest doubt of that.
Čo si teraz myslíte o realite vašej skúsenosti?
Experience was definitely real. Well, it was more real than anything in my life. I could sooner believe my whole life is a dream. The experience was just very, very real.
Reprodukovalo niekedy v priebehu vášho života niečo nejakú časť tejto skúsenosti?
No I've had very many drug trips and similar things, but nothing is even remotely like the near death experience. On some drugs you do feel the oneness though. That is similar.
Chceli by ste ešte niečo dodať o svojej skúsenosti?
I am so grateful to have been chosen to have this experience.