Patirties aprašymas
9/7/2014
I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis, and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was losing water at this fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but I ate nothing. Oh man, I was SICK! I was getting weaker and weaker.
On the eighth day of this misery, I seemed to float right up out of my body. So I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed still as a corpse, and I said ‘Oh (beep)! I've died!!’ I was unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’ So then, I felt calm and very good, thinking ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog, this is quite okay.’ So I'm floating in the room, right? And it is daytime. Outside there was a church and the bells started ringing. This was normal. I had a strong urge to go check it out so I floated out of the window. Outside it was blindingly bright. Whoa! It was SO BRIGHT. In a word, it was hard to see. Don't ask see with what, because I don't have a clue, my eyes being back in my body. But I could see the church steeple, and made a circuit of it. At this point I'm feeling very exhilarated. I'm flying around free of my body! And two things really hit me at that moment: first, the body isn't ME, it's just a body; and second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, we all just float off peacefully, because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know. At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body, and I went back inside, and sort of lay down in my body. And I slept. And the next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering.
Now-- Because of this experience, I came to think at the time that the spirit endures, and we go off peacefully. This idea I have entertained ever since to a degree, but I rather think now that it was merely a biochemical sort of effect, not anything 'real' in the sense of supernatural. I accept the idea it could be a hallucination of some sort, but it seemed very genuine at the time. So on the real significance of out of body experiences, I just don't know. But I've not feared death per se during my life for which I am very grateful.
I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis, and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was losing water at this fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but I ate nothing. Oh man, I was SICK! I was getting weaker and weaker.
On the eighth day of this misery, I seemed to float right up out of my body. So I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed still as a corpse, and I said ‘Oh (beep)! I've died!!’ I was unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’ So then, I felt calm and very good, thinking ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog, this is quite okay.’ So I'm floating in the room, right? And it is daytime. Outside there was a church and the bells started ringing. This was normal. I had a strong urge to go check it out so I floated out of the window. Outside it was blindingly bright. Whoa! It was SO BRIGHT. In a word, it was hard to see. Don't ask see with what, because I don't have a clue, my eyes being back in my body. But I could see the church steeple, and made a circuit of it. At this point I'm feeling very exhilarated. I'm flying around free of my body! And two things really hit me at that moment: first, the body isn't ME, it's just a body; and second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, we all just float off peacefully, because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know. At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body, and I went back inside, and sort of lay down in my body. And I slept. And the next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering.
Now-- Because of this experience, I came to think at the time that the spirit endures, and we go off peacefully. This idea I have entertained ever since to a degree, but I rather think now that it was merely a biochemical sort of effect, not anything 'real' in the sense of supernatural. I accept the idea it could be a hallucination of some sort, but it seemed very genuine at the time. So on the real significance of out of body experiences, I just don't know. But I've not feared death per se during my life for which I am very grateful.
Fono informacija
Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
August 1967
NDE elementai
Jūsų patirties metu ar buvo susijęs gyvybei pavojingas įvykis?
Uncertain Illness 'Illness, trauma or other condition not considered life threatening' I was very sick. Life threatening? Probably not.
Kaip vertinate savo patirties turinį?
Positive
Patirtis apėmė
Out of body experience
Ar jautėtės atskirtas nuo savo kūno?
Yes Totally disembodied. I saw my body on the bed.
Kuriuo metu patirties metu buvote pasiekęs aukščiausią sąmoningumo ir budrumo lygį?
I seemed perfectly alert.
Ar atrodė, kad laikas greitėja ar lėtėja?
No
Ar jūsų klausymas skirtųsi nuo normalaus?
Church bells.
Ar jūs praėjote į tunelį ar per jį?
No
Patirtis apėmė
Light
Ar matėte nežemišką šviesą?
Yes It was very bright. Blindingly bright actually, like being surrounded by very bright sunlight.
Ar atrodė, kad patekote į kitą, nežemišką pasaulį?
A clearly mystical or unearthly realm Well, everything seemed normal. I could hear and see. I can't say there was any sensation of feeling. In fact, I guess I'd say there was not any sensation of feeling or touch. But it wasn't like numbness.
Kokius kitus jausmus jautėte patirties metu?
Initially, anxiety. Afterwards, exhilaration and a sort of curiosity.
Ar staiga atrodė, kad suprantate viską?
Everything about the universe I concluded during the experience that it was a great joke on Christianity, that heaven and hell were obviously false and unreal, and this amused me and pleased me, that these people were so wrong and foolish. I was giddy with the knowledge that death was so easy and pleasant. That's how I was feeling at that time, that it was just a matter of floating away.
Ar jums sugrįžo scenos iš praeities?
My past flashed before me, out of my control I went out the window, and flew around. It was very pleasant.
Ar jums atėjo ateities scenos?
No
Ar atėjote prie ribos ar taško, iš kurio negalima grįžti?
I came to a barrier that I was not permitted to cross; or was sent back against my will Yes. I decided to go back to the body. I thought ‘Well, this is cool, but enough is enough, I'll just go lie back in the body, and if I'm dead well no problem, and if I'm not, that's fine too.’
Dievas, Dvasia ir Religija
Ar jūsų vertybės ir įsitikinimai pasikeitė dėl patirties?
Yes I became a more confirmed atheist and infidel. Before, I was uncertain about the claims of religion, but afterwards I thought, ‘These guys are just like scam artists, they don't have a clue about any of it.’
Dėl mūsų žemiškų gyvenimų, išskyrus religiją
Po NDE
Ar patirtį buvo sunku išreikšti žodžiais?
No
Ar po patirties turite kokių nors psichinių, neįprastų ar kitų ypatingų dovanų, kurių neturėjote prieš patirtį?
No
Ar yra viena ar kelios jūsų patirties dalys, kurios jums yra ypač reikšmingos ar svarbios? Prašome paaiškinti.
The best part was flying. There was no bad part, really.
Ar kada nors dalinotės šia patirtimi su kitais?
Yes I don't really emphasize the supposedly spiritual dimension, and I have not told very many people, but I've told a few that death is just nothing to fear. That we all will float off peacefully.
Ar norėtumėte dar ką nors pridėti apie savo patirtį?
I do not think, after years of reflection on it, that my experience is anything that would tend to prove that the spirit or soul or mind survives death. I thought at the time that this was what my experience demonstrated, but I now tend to think it was just some sort of biochemical thing. Either way, it’s no big deal really.
Ar pateikti klausimai ir jūsų suteikta informacija tiksliai ir išsamiai apibūdina jūsų patirtį?
Uncertain
Patirties aprašymas 6923
9/29/2013
On the eighth day of my illness, I seemed to just float right up out of my body. I saw my body from above. I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed, still as a corpse, and I said, ‘Oh, sh#$! I've died!!’ I was basically unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself, ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’
So, then I felt calm and very good, thinking, ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog. This is quite okay.’
I'm floating in the room, now feeling elated, and I decided to float out the window. The windows in this rooming house where I lived were just a series of louvers. You could stick your hand right outside the building if you wanted to. I had a strong urge to go check out what was outside so I floated out of the window.
Outside it was blindingly bright, with the light everywhere, not coming from any particular source, but as if the light were a liquid and I was in a sea of light.
At this point, I'm feeling very exhilarated, completely euphoric. I'm moving around free of my body. And two things really hit me at that moment. First, the body isn't ME. It's just a body. Second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, in terms of the popular images of streets of gold and pearly gates versus the lake of fire and the eternal torment. We all just float off peacefully because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know.
At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body and I went back inside. I thought it was better not to just leave my body there, though it was purely joyful in the sea of light. I went back in the room and I sort of lay down in my body to rest. The next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering, and I was not dead. I had thought that after taking a little rest in the body, now that I knew that being dead was okay, I’d be able to go back to the sea of light. This was not to be, though. Not right then anyway.
On the eighth day of my illness, I seemed to just float right up out of my body. I saw my body from above. I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed, still as a corpse, and I said, ‘Oh, sh#$! I've died!!’ I was basically unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself, ‘Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??’
So, then I felt calm and very good, thinking, ‘Well this sure beats being sick as a dog. This is quite okay.’
I'm floating in the room, now feeling elated, and I decided to float out the window. The windows in this rooming house where I lived were just a series of louvers. You could stick your hand right outside the building if you wanted to. I had a strong urge to go check out what was outside so I floated out of the window.
Outside it was blindingly bright, with the light everywhere, not coming from any particular source, but as if the light were a liquid and I was in a sea of light.
At this point, I'm feeling very exhilarated, completely euphoric. I'm moving around free of my body. And two things really hit me at that moment. First, the body isn't ME. It's just a body. Second, the whole heaven and hell thing is nonsense, in terms of the popular images of streets of gold and pearly gates versus the lake of fire and the eternal torment. We all just float off peacefully because the spirit endures. So that was a great thing to know.
At last though, some part of me got lonely for my body and I went back inside. I thought it was better not to just leave my body there, though it was purely joyful in the sea of light. I went back in the room and I sort of lay down in my body to rest. The next thing I knew, the illness had broken and I was recovering, and I was not dead. I had thought that after taking a little rest in the body, now that I knew that being dead was okay, I’d be able to go back to the sea of light. This was not to be, though. Not right then anyway.
Fono informacija
Gender:
Male
Date NDE Occurred:
Summer 1967
NDE elementai
Jūsų patirties metu ar buvo susijęs gyvybei pavojingas įvykis?
Yes Illness Life threatening event, but not clinical death I was working on a construction job in Puerto Rico. It was 1967. I was seventeen years old. I contracted a severe case of gastroenteritis and was unable to afford proper medical care. I went to a clinic, got a bottle of pills, and went back to the room where I lived. To put it mildly, I had the most severe diarrhea you can imagine. I was extremely ill, suffering from painful cramps. I was losing water at a fantastic rate, just going to the bathroom all the time. The woman who ran the rooming house was good enough to bring me water, but basically I ate nothing. I was getting weaker and weaker.
Kaip vertinate savo patirties turinį?
Entirely pleasant
Patirtis apėmė
Out of body experience
Ar jautėtės atskirtas nuo savo kūno?
Yes I saw my body on the bed. That is not a moment I'll ever forget. I heard the bells of the church nearby.
Kaip jūsų aukščiausias sąmoningumo ir budrumo lygis patirties metu palyginamas su jūsų įprastu kasdieniu sąmoningumu ir budrumu?
More consciousness and alertness than normal Well, it is hard to explain. It is as if you suddenly understand that the physical life of the body is just a part of the reality, and the life of the spirit is more real, as if the physical world is a stage set sort of--- it looks real enough but it is just appearances.
Kuriuo metu patirties metu buvote pasiekęs aukščiausią sąmoningumo ir budrumo lygį?
I would say in the sea of light part, it seemed hyper-real, extremely joyful and also peaceful.
Ar jūsų mintys buvo pagreitintos?
No
Ar atrodė, kad laikas greitėja ar lėtėja?
No
Ar jūsų pojūčiai buvo ryškesni nei įprasta?
More vivid than usual
Ar jūsų regėjimas skirtųsi nuo normalaus?
You can't close your eyes because you do not have eyes. I recall being able to look in a particular direction though. Vision was very sharp. The incredibly bright light in the sea of light was not painful.
Ar jūsų klausymas skirtųsi nuo normalaus?
I could hear. I heard church bells. There was a church nearby. Hearing seemed normal I should say.
Ar jums atrodė, kad suvokiate dalykus, vykstančius kitur?
No
Ar jūs praėjote į tunelį ar per jį?
Uncertain It was not a tunnel, it was a sea of light. The light was everywhere but with no source.
Ar per savo patirtį matėte kokių nors būtybių?
No
Ar susidūrėte arba tapote sąmoningi bet kokių mirusių (ar gyvų) būtybių?
No
Patirtis apėmė
Unearthly light
Ar matėte arba jautėtės apsuptas ryškios šviesos?
An unusually bright light
Ar matėte nežemišką šviesą?
Yes If you just imagine being deep in the ocean and every molecule of water is radiating light that will give you an idea of what it was like.
Ar atrodė, kad patekote į kitą, nežemišką pasaulį?
Some unfamiliar and strange place It was sure not anyplace earthly. Though I did not sense other beings, it still was not a lonely place. It was strange, but also like home. So you feel, oh good, I'm home, everything is okay. Death is not what folks think. It's okay.
Patirtis apėmė
Strong emotional tone
Kokius kitus jausmus jautėte patirties metu?
First, fear. I was dead, and if you could die twice seeing my body on the bed would have scared me to death again! Then, immediately thereafter, I was able to reason that I was really okay, because I could think and see things. Then I was very joyful. In the sea of light, it was wonderful, joyful, and peaceful. I should not have left.
Ar jautėtės ramybėje ar malonume?
Incredible peace or pleasantness
Ar jautėtės džiaugsme?
incredible joy
Ar jautėte harmonijos ar vienybės jausmą su visata?
I felt no longer in conflict with nature
Ar staiga atrodė, kad suprantate viską?
Everything about myself or others I would not say I understood everything!! It is different from that. It's like you see things as they really are, or understand that you don't need to be concerned about the details, because it's all fine, it's all okay, you're home again.
Ar jums sugrįžo scenos iš praeities?
No
Ar jums atėjo ateities scenos?
No
Ar atėjote prie ribos ar taško, iš kurio negalima grįžti?
I came to a barrier that I was not permitted to cross; or was sent back against my will I did not think I was returning to life. I thought I'd just take a rest in my body, then go back to the sea of light. Now I have to die all over again to get back there.
Dievas, Dvasia ir Religija
Kokią svarbą teikėte savo religiniam/dvasingam gyvenimui prieš savo patirtį
Slightly important to me
Kokia buvo jūsų religija prieš patirtį?
Christian- Protestant I have been educated in Episcopal Church schools, and had at the time of the experience a great deal of religious instruction including daily chapel. I was not however a believer in any deep sense.
Ar jūsų religingi papročiai pasikeitė po patirties?
Yes Well, not as a direct result, but over time I've had religious experiences that I finally integrated with the near death experience. I do not know, Why me? It is a great puzzle. I suppose some are chosen or something. I guess we'll find out later on.
Kokią svarbą teikiate savo religiniam/dvasingam gyvenimui po savo patirties
Greatly important to me
Kokia yra jūsų religija dabar?
Christian- Protestant From the time of the experience to the present, a period of nearly half a century, I have been subjected to divine manifestations including outright miracles. God pestered me until I surrendered. I did not want to believe. I worked in a scientific department at a university. It was not at all convenient to be a Christian. Nevertheless, I was finally forced to it. I have no idea why. It is all very strange and mysterious to me. I was not looking for this transcendent divine love: it knocked me repeatedly in the head until I accepted its reality.
Ar jūsų patirtis turėjo bruožų, atitinkančių jūsų žemiškas tikėjimo sistemas?
Content that was both consistent and not consistent with the beliefs you had at the time of your experience I was not understanding about what love means. It is not something you earn by being a good person.
Ar jūsų vertybės ir įsitikinimai pasikeitė dėl patirties?
Yes Be good. Do the right thing. Read scripture. Pray for help, understanding, and forgiveness. Keep trying. Try to do better. Do not be afraid. It's all okay!
Ar atrodė, kad sutikote mistinę būtybę ar buvimą, arba girdėjote neidentifikuojamą balsą?
No
Ar matėte mirusiųjų ar religinės dvasios?
No
Ar sutikote ar sužinojote apie bet kokias būtybes, kurios anksčiau gyveno žemėje ir yra apibūdinamos vardais iš religijų (pavyzdžiui: Jėzus, Muhammadas, Buda ir kt.?)
No
Patirties metu ar gavote informacijos apie Dievo egzistavimą?
No
Patirties metu ar gavote informacijos apie visuotinius ryšius ar vienybę?
No
Ar tikėjote Dievo egzistencija prieš savo patirtį?
God probably exists┬
Patirties metu ar gavote informacijos apie Dievo egzistavimą?
Uncertain During the time of the experience I was mostly amused that the idea of hell with fire etc and heaven with pearly gates was wrong, that you just float off peacefully. I did not at that time understand that the peace and joy and love actually = God. That came much later.
Ar tikite Dievo egzistencija po savo patirties?
God definitely exists
Dėl mūsų žemiškų gyvenimų, išskyrus religiją
Patirties metu ar gavote specialių žinių ar informacijos apie savo tikslą?
Yes Well, I know something of great value, that most people do not know, for which I am eternally grateful. How can I tell you? It is so simple, but folks hear it and ignore it. Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself, and don't do to others that which you hate, and trust in God, and do not be afraid. Do your best, do the right thing. It's all okay.
Patirties metu ar gavote informacijos apie gyvenimo prasmę?
No
Ar tikėjote gyvenimu po mirties prieš savo patirtį?
An afterlife probably does not exist
Ar tikite gyvenimu po mirties po savo patirties?
An afterlife definitely exists Oh yes, consciousness and personality continues after bodily death. To that extent there is no death really. The body dies. You do not die. You are not equal to your body. Mind is not the same thing as brain.
Ar bijojote mirties prieš savo patirtį?
I moderately feared death
Ar bijote mirties po savo patirties
I do not fear death
Ar bijojote gyventi savo gyvenimą prieš savo patirtį
Slightly fearful in living my earthly life
Ar bijojote gyventi savo gyvenimą po savo patirties
Not fearful in living my earthly life
Ar tikėjote, kad mūsų žemiški gyvenimai yra prasmingi ir reikšmingi prieš jūsų patirtį
Are possibly meaningful and significant
Ar tikėjote, kad mūsų žemiški gyvenimai yra prasmingi ir reikšmingi po jūsų patirties
Are meaningful and significant
Ar sužinojote informacijos, kaip gyventi savo gyvenimus?
Yes Don't be afraid. Death is nothing to fear. It is quite okay. You do your best in your life and the rest takes care of itself.
Ar per savo patirtį sužinojote informacijos apie gyvenimo sunkumus, iššūkius ir nepriteklius?
No
Ar buvote užjaučiantis prieš savo patirtį
Moderately compassionate toward others
Ar per savo patirtį sužinojote informacijos apie meilę?
Yes Love is limitless and a quite real thing, like air or water. We do not feel this when in the body.
Ar buvote užjaučiantis po savo patirties
Greatly compassionate toward others
Kokie gyvenimo pokyčiai įvyko po jūsų patirties?
Large changes in my life I do not know why, but my life from that time to now has consistently had strange interventions. Any way I put this will sound absurd. My life has been blessed with lots of silly little miracles. God is a great joker in my case. He always reminds me that he's with me. The Almighty has a sense of humor. I always try to rationalize what happens but really, I've given up. God acts in the everyday world. That is the miracle of God. The miracle is all around us, and we do not see it.
Ar jūsų santykiai pasikeitė būtent dėl jūsų patirties?
Uncertain I can't really say.
Po NDE
Ar patirtį buvo sunku išreikšti žodžiais?
No It was not especially difficult except it was unlike anything else and so when I describe it, it sounds a bit silly, like something made up. So for many years I told nobody about it, because I thought they'd think I was nuts or lying.
Kaip tiksliai prisimenate patirtį, palyginti su kitais gyvenimo įvykiais, įvykusiais aplink patirties laiką?
I remember the experience more accurately than other life events that occurred around the time of the experience I remember exactly. It is as vivid now as 46 years ago.
Ar po patirties turite kokių nors psichinių, neįprastų ar kitų ypatingų dovanų, kurių neturėjote prieš patirtį?
No
Ar yra viena ar kelios jūsų patirties dalys, kurios jums yra ypač reikšmingos ar svarbios? Prašome paaiškinti.
The sea of light. I should have stayed!
Ar kada nors dalinotės šia patirtimi su kitais?
Yes Oh years and years went by! I'd say thirty years. Finally I heard of these near death experiences, and I said ‘Oh yes, that's like what happened to me.’ I don't think people are much influenced by hearing the experiences of others. If it had not happened to me I would not believe it myself.
Ar turėjote kokių nors žinių apie artimos mirties patirtį (NDE) prieš savo patirtį?
No
Ką manėte apie savo patirties realybę netrukus (dienomis ar savaitėmis) po to, kai tai įvyko?
Experience was definitely real. It was real. It really happened. There was never the slightest doubt of that.
Ką jūs manote apie savo patirties realybę dabar?
Experience was definitely real. Well, it was more real than anything in my life. I could sooner believe my whole life is a dream. The experience was just very, very real.
Ar kada nors gyvenime kas nors atkartojo bet kurią patirties dalį?
No I've had very many drug trips and similar things, but nothing is even remotely like the near death experience. On some drugs you do feel the oneness though. That is similar.
Ar norėtumėte dar ką nors pridėti apie savo patirtį?
I am so grateful to have been chosen to have this experience.